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skey
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CurtisLemansky wrote: Sure? Until they figure out how to further exploit it to their advantage.
Sent from my UAV using Disposition Matrix 2.0 You are right on the money.
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| Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:08 am |
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kf7mjf
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Location: Olympia Joined: Sat Oct 29, 2011 Posts: 16026
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*sigh*
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jim_dandy
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Location: Snohomish County & Pierce County Joined: Fri Mar 18, 2011 Posts: 659
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http://www.reddit.com/r/daddit/comments ... rality_to/Net Neutrality as explained by a 9 year old: Quote: Pretend ice cream stores gave away free milkshakes. But you had to buy a straw to drink them. But that's okay, because you still get free milkshakes. One day you're drinking a free milkshake and you look down and the guy that sold you the straw is pinching it almost shut. You can still get your milkshake, but it's really hard and takes a lot longer. So you say, "Hey! Stop that!" And the straw guy says, "NO! Not until the ice cream store pays me money."
And you say, "But I already paid you money for the straw." And the straw guy says, "I don't care. I just want more money."
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| Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:39 am |
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snozzberries
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Location: King County Joined: Thu Oct 16, 2014 Posts: 4012
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CurtisLemansky wrote: You don't think it's fair to point out Netflix did all this strictly for their own selfish reasons? They are a business. They are required to do what is best for their shareholders, which includes fighting on their customers behalf. Fighting for Net Neutrality is best for their business in the US. Allowing their traffic to be exempted from data caps in Australia is in their customers and their shareholders best interests.
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| Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:52 pm |
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snozzberries
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Location: King County Joined: Thu Oct 16, 2014 Posts: 4012
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http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Release ... 5-24A1.pdfThe FCC finally released the details! Time to start reading.
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edogg
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So much for it being 8 pages of rules and 300 pages of comments. This bad boy is almost 600 pages of actual content!
Leave it to federal agency and lawyers to balloon up what should be simple.
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| Thu Mar 12, 2015 11:07 am |
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snozzberries
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Location: King County Joined: Thu Oct 16, 2014 Posts: 4012
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Did you see all the references? From what I saw half of each page is links to articles etc.
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CurtisLemansky
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The FCC’s New Internet Rules Put the FCC in Charge of the InternetQuote: Wheeler’s description of how this will play out is flawed but also instructive. “We don’t really know. We don’t know where things go next,” he said, according to The New York Times. “We have created a playing field where there are known rules, and the F.C.C. will sit there as a referee and will throw the flag.”
On the contrary, under the standard set by the order, the FCC isn’t enforcing known rules; it is roaming the field making the rules up on the spot. Imagine a game in which the referee was authorized to throw a flag for “unjust” or “unreasonable” conduct any time players attempted a new strategy or innovative style of play. Players might have some general sense of what would trigger a ref’s particular sensibility, but wouldn’t ever know for sure.
As a result, you’d expect two things to happen: Players would deploy new moves more cautiously, and teams would spend more time pressuring the refs to use their wide discretion to allow certain types of plays—probably while arguing that their opponents’ signature plays were out of bounds.
This is more or less what to expect in the wake of the FCC’s rules: ISPs will probably invest and innovate more cautiously, knowing that the FCC has veto power over their decisions. And armies of expensive telecom lawyers will spend their days arguing about what, exactly, constitutes “just and reasonable” in a wide variety of circumstances. Sent from my UAV using Disposition Matrix 2.0
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| Fri Mar 13, 2015 5:52 pm |
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snozzberries
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In this framework, invest and innovate mean "create things that are anti-competitive" and/or "fuck up the internet in anti-competitive ways" then sure they will be more cautious. That's the point of it.
The ISP's idea of innovation is figuring out how to double-bill for the same data, and tighten the noose on their customers to increase their profits. It doesn't have the traditional definition of innovation, which is create cooler stuff, faster speeds etc. Their idea of innovation is coming up with new ways to stick it to us.
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CurtisLemansky
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So FCC's net neutrality will fix my exorbitant Comcast bill?
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kf7mjf
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CurtisLemansky wrote: So FCC's net neutrality will fix my exorbitant Comcast bill?
Sent from my UAV using Disposition Matrix 2.0 Buying less pay per view porn will. So will switching to streaming content from non Comcast services.
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snozzberries
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CurtisLemansky wrote: So FCC's net neutrality will fix my exorbitant Comcast bill?
Sent from my UAV using Disposition Matrix 2.0 No, because rate regulation isn't part of the regulation. Just call them up, tell them your bill is too high, you need to cut expenses, and see what they offer. I call them every time my bill goes up and tell them I think their services for TV+internet are only worth $100 a month, and we need to lower my rate. The people on the phone do some goofy stuff and get my bill down lower. Last time they downgraded my service, then canceled it, then got me new service, or something totally screwy like that. That's what the techs on the phone have to do to jump through the hoops.
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DocNugent
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Location: South King County, WA Joined: Thu Dec 8, 2011 Posts: 5844
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kf7mjf wrote: CurtisLemansky wrote: So FCC's net neutrality will fix my exorbitant Comcast bill? . . . switching to streaming content from non Comcast services. The only alternatives to Comcast I've heard of in my area (Kent-Renton border) is $atellite, phone company (CenturyLink), and dish (won't work due to tall trees to the south). $atellite is more expensive than Comcast, and the others are only half as fast. Am I missing a 'streaming content from non Comcast services' option that would be faster but no more expensive than Comcast?
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kf7mjf
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Speed is all on the quality and type of connection you pay for. Hulu, Netflix,Amazon, Google and more offer tons of streaming content . Depends on what you are after.
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DocNugent
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Location: South King County, WA Joined: Thu Dec 8, 2011 Posts: 5844
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kf7mjf wrote: Speed is all on the quality and type of connection you pay for. Hulu, Netflix,Amazon, Google and more offer tons of streaming content . Depends on what you are after. None of those can get to my house without Comcast. Are you suggesting that I drop the TV part of my Comcast package in favor of a faster internet-only Comcast connection that would bypass my beloved TiVo? 
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