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The 'net is now neutered - FCC adopts new regs today
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WaJim
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Location: Tacoma Wa Joined: Tue Oct 8, 2013 Posts: 16607
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OhShoot! wrote: So if net neutrality is so much like Obamacare, then where is my subsidy check? Lol Its early in the FCC takeover.....Dont think this wont happen. ...although in order to get a full subsity check youd have to make (in the St. of Wa.)< 18k a year. Poverty level. Aything above that would be prorated. The President has said that I-Net access is a RIGHT for every American. You didnt realy expect anything taken over by a gvt entity getting less complicated and cheaper did you?
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chasin Tail
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| Fri Feb 27, 2015 9:56 am |
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Captain90s
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bhpdrew
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| Fri Feb 27, 2015 10:03 am |
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Pablo
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I'm always running something else at the same time on one of the other PC's plus the girls are wireless on all their devices so it's tough to get alone time on the bandwidth when I'm already neutered. 
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| Fri Feb 27, 2015 10:07 am |
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OhShoot!
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Seems to me that checking internet speed because of Net neutrality is akin to grabbing snowballs out of the front yard to disprove global warming.
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| Fri Feb 27, 2015 10:25 am |
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Duke EB
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OhShoot! wrote: Seems to me that checking internet speed because of Net neutrality is akin to grabbing snowballs out of the front yard to disprove global warming. What's wrong with that? Snowballs in the front yard definitely disproves global warming! 
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| Fri Feb 27, 2015 10:28 am |
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lunacite
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Also, if we didn't have net neutrality you can bet that every ISP would prioritize the speedtest servers so they could show the fastest speed possible.
I have yet to see any actual facts and a lot of FUD surrounding this decision.
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| Fri Feb 27, 2015 10:32 am |
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edogg
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So here's one downside to net neutrality.
Internet regulations will be made by an unelected body of people who are not beholden to "we the people". They have the power to regulate what kind of discussions and content is legal. So if this unelected body decides "people should not be allowed to talk about subject X" (you fill in what X is), they can make a rule without taking comments from the citizens to forbid discussions about your favorite, formerly legal subject.
Does this sound like another recent happening with another 3 letter agency and a certain kind of ammo people like to shoot in of their AR15s?
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| Fri Feb 27, 2015 10:39 am |
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kf7mjf
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Umm this is not about regulating content. Jesus fuck...
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| Fri Feb 27, 2015 10:48 am |
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Guns4Liberty
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kf7mjf wrote: Umm this is not about regulating content. And you know that how? Because that's what the FCC said? Did you read the regulations already? I'd be careful about making definitive statements about what this is or isn't until the full details have been made public.
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| Fri Feb 27, 2015 11:02 am |
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kf7mjf
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Because literally net neutrality, by definition is about unfettered access to content.
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| Fri Feb 27, 2015 11:14 am |
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Guns4Liberty
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kf7mjf wrote: Because literally net neutrality, by definition is about unfettered access to content. That point has been  . Apparently you are having severe difficulty differentiating between the concept and the policy. Think of it like I-594...the concept was background checks on all transfers, but the policy is an 18-page clusterfuck. Having not even read the new FCC regulations, what makes you so confident that the policy will closely resemble the concept, and not morph into something else?
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| Fri Feb 27, 2015 11:26 am |
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kf7mjf
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Mainly I'm confident because all the chicken little tinfoil hat right wing nutballs are certain it's going to happen.
Ergo, odds are it is baseless fearmongering.
Call it a hunch, but so far, among all the shrieking, I've yet to see anything of substance, whereas I at least can point to the basic ideas behind the concept. Considering this is about regulating ISP's as utilities, I have a strong suspicion most of the documentation revolves around rewriting just what a utility is, how one becomes a utility, what the loopholes to being a utility are, etc, etc, etc...
And of course the sooper sekrit hidden tinfoil pages about deleting all conservative websites and reading your email.
Oh. Wait. Bush did that last one.
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AR15L
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Quote: Obama’s comments before the law passed
• White House Web page: "Linda Douglass of the White House Office of Health Reform debunks the myth that reform will force you out of your current insurance plan or force you to change doctors. To the contrary, reform will expand your choices, not eliminate them. " (Spanish-language version.)
•White House Web page: "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan."
• President’s weekly address, June 6, 2009: "If you like the plan you have, you can keep it. If you like the doctor you have, you can keep your doctor, too. The only change you’ll see are falling costs as our reforms take hold."
• Town hall in Green Bay, Wis., June 11, 2009: "No matter how we reform health care, I intend to keep this promise: If you like your doctor, you'll be able to keep your doctor; if you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan."
• Remarks at the American Medical Association, June 15, 2009: "I know that there are millions of Americans who are content with their health care coverage — they like their plan and, most importantly, they value their relationship with their doctor. They trust you. And that means that no matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise to the American people: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what."
• Presidential press conference, June 23, 2009. "If you like your plan and you like your doctor, you won't have to do a thing. You keep your plan. You keep your doctor."
• Rose Garden remarks, July 15, 2009. "If you like your doctor or health care provider, you can keep them. If you like your health care plan, you can keep that too."
• Remarks at a rally for New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine, July 16, 2009: "if you've got health insurance, you like your doctor, you like your plan — you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan. Nobody is talking about taking that away from you."
• Presidential weekly address, July 18, 2009: "Michelle and I don’t want anyone telling us who our family’s doctor should be – and no one should decide that for you either. Under our proposals, if you like your doctor, you keep your doctor. If you like your current insurance, you keep that insurance. Period, end of story."
• Rose Garden remarks, July 21, 2009: "If you like your current plan, you will be able to keep it. Let me repeat that: If you like your plan, you'll be able to keep it."
• Remarks in Shaker Heights, Ohio, July 23, 2009: "Reform will keep the government out of your health care decisions, giving you the option to keep your coverage if you're happy with it."
• Town hall in Raleigh, N.C., July 29, 2009: "I have been as clear as I can be. Under the reform I've proposed, if you like your doctor, you keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you keep your health care plan. These folks need to stop scaring everybody. Nobody is talking about you forcing … to change your plans."
• Presidential weekly address, Aug. 8, 2009: "Under the reforms we seek, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan."
• Town hall in Portsmouth, N.H., Aug. 11, 2009: "Under the reform we're proposing, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan."
• Town hall in Belgrade, Mont., Aug. 14, 2009: "If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan. This is not some government takeover. If you like your doctor, you can keep seeing your doctor. This is important."
• Presidential weekly address, Aug. 15, 2009: "No matter what you’ve heard, if you like your doctor or health care plan, you can keep it."
• Town hall in Grand Junction, Colo., Aug. 15, 2009: "I just want to be completely clear about this. I keep on saying this but somehow folks aren't listening — if you like your health care plan, you keep your health care plan. Nobody is going to force you to leave your health care plan. If you like your doctor, you keep seeing your doctor."
• Remarks to Organizing for America, Aug. 20, 2009: "No matter what you've heard, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor under the reform proposals that we've put forward. If you like your private health insurance plan, you can keep it."
• Presidential weekly address, Aug. 22, 2009: "Under the reform we seek, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your private health insurance plan, you can keep your plan. Period."
• Remarks on health care reform, March 3, 2010: "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. Because I can tell you that as the father of two young girls, I wouldn’t want any plan that interferes with the relationship between a family and their doctor."
• Presidential weekly address, March 6, 2010: "What won’t change when this bill is signed is this: If you like the insurance plan you have now, you can keep it. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. Because nothing should get in the way of the relationship between a family and their doctor."
• Remarks in Glenside, Pa., March 8, 2010: "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor."
• Remarks in St. Charles, Mo., March 10, 2010: " If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor."
• Remarks in St. Louis, Mo., March 10, 2010: "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. I’m the father of two young girls –- I don’t want anybody interfering between my family and their doctor."
• Remarks in Strongsville, Ohio, March 15, 2010: "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. I don't want to interfere with people’s relationships between them and their doctors."
• Remarks in Fairfax, Va., March 19, 2010: "If you like your doctor, you’re going to be able to keep your doctor. If you like your plan, keep your plan. I don’t believe we should give government or the insurance companies more control over health care in America. I think it’s time to give you, the American people, more control over your health."
Obama’s comments between the law’s signing and the release of the HHS regulations
• White House web page: "For those Americans who already have health insurance, the only changes you will see under the law are new benefits, better protections from insurance company abuses, and more value for every dollar you spend on health care. If you like your plan you can keep it and you don’t have to change a thing due to the health care law."
• Remarks in Iowa City, Iowa, March 25, 2010: "You like your plan? You’ll be keeping your plan. No one is taking that away from you."
• Remarks in Portland, Maine, April 1, 2010: The critics will "see that if Americans like their doctor, they will keep their doctor. And if you like your insurance plan, you will keep it. No one will be able to take that away from you. It hasn’t happened yet. It won’t happen in the future."
• White House blog post by Stephanie Cutter, May 18, 2010: "A key point to remember is that while the Act makes many changes to the individual market, it specifically allows those who want to keep their current insurance to do so. Most of the Act’s protections apply only to new policies, allowing people to stick with their current plan if they prefer."
After the release of the HHS regulations
• Kathleen Sebelius blog post, June 14, 2010: "The bottom line is that under the Affordable Care Act, if you like your doctor and plan, you can keep them."
• White House blog post by Stephanie Cutter. "Another important step we’ve taken is to fulfill President Obama’s promise that ‘if you like your health plan, you can keep it.’ Last week, Secretary Sebelius and Secretary of Labor Hilda Solis announced a new rule that protects the ability of individuals and businesses to keep their current plan. It outlines conditions under which current plans can be ‘grandfathered’ into the system, minimizing market disruption and putting us all on the path toward the competitive, patient-centered market of the future."
• Remarks on the Affordable Care Act Supreme Court ruling, June 28, 2012: "If you’re one of the more than 250 million Americans who already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance — this law will only make it more secure and more affordable."
• Campaign event in Pittsburgh, July 6, 2012: "If you have health insurance, the only thing that changes for you is you’re more secure because insurance companies can't drop you when you get sick."
• Campaign event in Virginia Beach, Va., July 13, 2012: "If you already have health care, the only thing this bill does is make sure that it’s even more secure and insurance companies can't jerk you around."
• First presidential debate in Denver, Oct. 3, 2012: "If you've got health insurance, it doesn't mean a government takeover. You keep your own insurance. You keep your own doctor. But it does say insurance companies can't jerk you around."
• Remarks in Largo, Md., Sept. 26, 2013: "Now, let’s start with the fact that even before the Affordable Care Act fully takes effect, about 85 percent of Americans already have health insurance — either through their job, or through Medicare, or through the individual market. So if you’re one of these folks, it’s reasonable that you might worry whether health care reform is going to create changes that are a problem for you — especially when you’re bombarded with all sorts of fear-mongering. So the first thing you need to know is this: If you already have health care, you don’t have to do anything." Replace "health care / doctor / plan" with the word "internet" and see how this reads. 
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