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lamrith
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Location: Tacoma/Puyallup Joined: Tue May 8, 2012 Posts: 4330
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Just got this link off a Hicock45 posting. Good read for those that carry and have other than factory triggers.. http://smith-wessonforum.com/concealed- ... ility.html
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UpDog
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uhmmm, show me some recent cases of this happening.
my thought on this is....they can try to fuck you for anything, if you're scared of that, why even carry a gun? if you carry a gun, you expect trouble right? why didn't you just not carry and avoid the trouble in the first place.
i've been in a SD situation where I drew but did not fire. Oh, isn't that another gun forum scare? Don't draw unless you need to use deadly force? because omg if you didn't fire, you obviously didn't need it in the first place?
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Guns4Liberty
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UpDog wrote: uhmmm, show me some recent cases of this happening.
my thought on this is....they can try to fuck you for anything, if you're scared of that, why even carry a gun? if you carry a gun, you expect trouble right? why didn't you just not carry and avoid the trouble in the first place.
i've been in a SD situation where I drew but did not fire. Oh, isn't that another gun forum scare? Don't draw unless you need to use deadly force? because omg if you didn't fire, you obviously didn't need it in the first place? Did you even read the article?
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lamrith
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Guns4Liberty wrote: UpDog wrote: uhmmm, show me some recent cases of this happening.
my thought on this is....they can try to fuck you for anything, if you're scared of that, why even carry a gun? if you carry a gun, you expect trouble right? why didn't you just not carry and avoid the trouble in the first place.
i've been in a SD situation where I drew but did not fire. Oh, isn't that another gun forum scare? Don't draw unless you need to use deadly force? because omg if you didn't fire, you obviously didn't need it in the first place? Did you even read the article? Apparently not, or he would not have said his opening statement... Do what you will, god forbid any of us share information to help each other make informed decisions and understand some of the potential risks involved with what we do. 
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Classic
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I did read the article and a bunch of top end 1911's come stock with less than a 4lb pull. My Les Baer is 3.5 stock and I've shot a Nighthawk and a Wilson combat that were both right at 3lbs stock. The article is compelling and might have a bunch of good info but..... That's why ya get the best lawyer the state can afford 
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Duke EB
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Classic wrote: I did read the article and a bunch of top end 1911's come stock with less than a 4lb pull. My Les Baer is 3.5 stock and I've shot a Nighthawk and a Wilson combat that were both right at 3lbs stock. The article is compelling and might have a bunch of good info but..... That's why ya get the best lawyer the state can afford  Top end 1911's aren't carried for sd that often. And even if it is (from the article): On the other hand, with the 1911, a pistol equipped with thumb safety and grip safety, the 4.5-lb. trigger is much more defensible. NRA’s minimum pull weight on a 1911 in the Distinguished match is 4.0-lb. This seems to be the minimum pull weight for a duty 1911 recommended by most of its many manufacturers, including Colt.
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Classic
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Duke EB wrote: Classic wrote: I did read the article and a bunch of top end 1911's come stock with less than a 4lb pull. My Les Baer is 3.5 stock and I've shot a Nighthawk and a Wilson combat that were both right at 3lbs stock. The article is compelling and might have a bunch of good info but..... That's why ya get the best lawyer the state can afford  Top end 1911's aren't carried for sd that often. And even if it is (from the article): On the other hand, with the 1911, a pistol equipped with thumb safety and grip safety, the 4.5-lb. trigger is much more defensible. NRA’s minimum pull weight on a 1911 in the Distinguished match is 4.0-lb. This seems to be the minimum pull weight for a duty 1911 recommended by most of its many manufacturers, including Colt. Laughing! I've never seen a Les Baer or a Nighthawk with holster wear 
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BadKarma
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Everything is defendable with $.
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Classic
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BadKarma wrote: Everything is defendable with $. I agree! A few months ago I heard that in Washington state if you get charged with a gun crime to get the best lawyer you can find because if you win the state has to cover the cost of your lawyer 100%. Supposedly this is to reduce the chance of the state going after you for some BS charge. Don't know if this is true though... Maybe this should be a separate thread?
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Duke EB
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Classic wrote: Duke EB wrote: Classic wrote: I did read the article and a bunch of top end 1911's come stock with less than a 4lb pull. My Les Baer is 3.5 stock and I've shot a Nighthawk and a Wilson combat that were both right at 3lbs stock. The article is compelling and might have a bunch of good info but..... That's why ya get the best lawyer the state can afford  Top end 1911's aren't carried for sd that often. And even if it is (from the article): On the other hand, with the 1911, a pistol equipped with thumb safety and grip safety, the 4.5-lb. trigger is much more defensible. NRA’s minimum pull weight on a 1911 in the Distinguished match is 4.0-lb. This seems to be the minimum pull weight for a duty 1911 recommended by most of its many manufacturers, including Colt. Laughing! I've never seen a Les Baer or a Nighthawk with holster wear  How many have you seen with holster wear? Compared to the rest of the 1911 market? In any case, the a light trigger on the 1911 would be more defensible due to the multiple safeties.
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BadKarma
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Classic wrote: BadKarma wrote: Everything is defendable with $. I agree! A few months ago I heard that in Washington state if you get charged with a gun crime to get the best lawyer you can find because if you win the state has to cover the cost of your lawyer 100%. Supposedly this is to reduce the chance of the state going after you for some BS charge. Don't know if this is true though... Maybe this should be a separate thread? The articles show the many "What If's" and clearly zeros in on the trigger weight. We had a very long conversation about CC and if you had a beer and had to go to the store. The main take away is everything is a variable when a lawful shoot happens. Any change to the gun could be argued in court. You can rely on the jury/grand jury to understand why you made a change to the original configurations.... or hire experts that would help support your defense.
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UpDog
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Guns4Liberty wrote: UpDog wrote: uhmmm, show me some recent cases of this happening.
my thought on this is....they can try to fuck you for anything, if you're scared of that, why even carry a gun? if you carry a gun, you expect trouble right? why didn't you just not carry and avoid the trouble in the first place.
i've been in a SD situation where I drew but did not fire. Oh, isn't that another gun forum scare? Don't draw unless you need to use deadly force? because omg if you didn't fire, you obviously didn't need it in the first place? Did you even read the article? I sure did. Spoon feed it to me.
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UpDog
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Classic wrote: BadKarma wrote: Everything is defendable with $. I agree! A few months ago I heard that in Washington state if you get charged with a gun crime to get the best lawyer you can find because if you win the state has to cover the cost of your lawyer 100%. Supposedly this is to reduce the chance of the state going after you for some BS charge. Don't know if this is true though... Maybe this should be a separate thread? http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9A.16.110
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H2obouget
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Location: Graham Joined: Sun Sep 4, 2011 Posts: 2220
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UpDog wrote: Classic wrote: BadKarma wrote: Everything is defendable with $. I agree! A few months ago I heard that in Washington state if you get charged with a gun crime to get the best lawyer you can find because if you win the state has to cover the cost of your lawyer 100%. Supposedly this is to reduce the chance of the state going after you for some BS charge. Don't know if this is true though... Maybe this should be a separate thread? http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9A.16.110It is not for "Gun Crimes". It's for Justifiable Deadly Force aka Justifiable Homicide. Basically says if you are the victim of a violent crime, and you use deadly force to defend yourself, then the state, if they charge you, will be on the hook for the fees if you are found to be justified in your actions. Whether it be a knife, a bat, a rock, or a bazooka...if you are defending against a violent crime, the law is actually on your side in the use of force. If you rob someone with a gun..."a gun crime" this won't help you. You use a 2x4 to beat the shit out of a guy, robbing you with gun, this WILL help you. 
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