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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/10/world ... aders.html

This seems a little... petulant? Petty? Potentially illegal? (The Logan Act ( 18 U.S. Code § 953 - Private correspondence with foreign governments)... ) Certainly nearly if not totally unprecedented that I can think of.

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kf7mjf wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/10/world/asia/white-house-faults-gop-senators-letter-to-irans-leaders.html

This seems a little... petulant? Petty? Potentially illegal? (The Logan Act ( 18 U.S. Code § 953 - Private correspondence with foreign governments)... ) Certainly nearly if not totally unprecedented that I can think of.



didn't we have some representatives led by a member from WA by the name of Baghdad Jim, visit a foreign nation to do the same thing??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_McDermott

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kf7mjf wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/10/world/asia/white-house-faults-gop-senators-letter-to-irans-leaders.html

This seems a little... petulant? Petty? Potentially illegal? (The Logan Act ( 18 U.S. Code § 953 - Private correspondence with foreign governments)... ) Certainly nearly if not totally unprecedented that I can think of.


It is an "open letter"... So not private correspondance. But I don't recall something like this before either.
Worthy of some heavy reading.

It's not a treaty... or it would have to be legislatively approved. Hm... I feel like I am missing something here. How is the White House trying to bill the agreement with Iran if it's not a full treaty?


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TINCANBANDIT wrote:
kf7mjf wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/10/world/asia/white-house-faults-gop-senators-letter-to-irans-leaders.html

This seems a little... petulant? Petty? Potentially illegal? (The Logan Act ( 18 U.S. Code § 953 - Private correspondence with foreign governments)... ) Certainly nearly if not totally unprecedented that I can think of.



didn't we have some representatives led by a member from WA by the name of Baghdad Jim, visit a foreign nation to do the same thing??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_McDermott


That was the jackass I was thinking of...

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. . . How is the White House trying to bill the agreement with Iran if it's not a full treaty?

An Obama agreement is where they get to do whatever the hell they want to after the end of his term (see blank check below).

A treaty sets forth reciprocal obligations between nations, not just between leaders (ratification by the Senate is like having them cosign the check).

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Who gives a flying fuck what they do. Time to mind our own fucking business.


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TINCANBANDIT wrote:
didn't we have some representatives led by a member from WA by the name of Baghdad Jim, visit a foreign nation to do the same thing??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_McDermott

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Another is Nancy Pelosi who, against requests of Bush 43's admin, met privately with Assad while the policy was to freeze him out. (We've all seen enough pics of her, so I'll spare y'all.)

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Not sure why Obama is in such a rush to make a deal with Iran. Especially a giveaway deal.

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Not sure why Obama is in such a rush to make a deal with Iran. Especially a giveaway deal.

For his resume and library - "Here is the agreement Obama forged that no other President had been able to. Now move along, don't bother to read it, just remember he did it."

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What do you know... massive hypocrisy on both sides.
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015 ... acks-iran/


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here's a piece by Leslie Gelb. He's no Obama fan if I recall correctly.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... erica.html


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The right wing has a strange obsession with Israel too.

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Who gives a flying fuck what they do. Time to mind our own fucking business.


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The left wing has a strange hatred of Israel.

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Pablo wrote:
The left wing has a strange hatred of Israel.


I've always thought Israel was none of our business, but they are a useful pawn and the religious think they need to support Israel to curry God's favor.

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