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snozzberries wrote:If there can be Christian schools and Mormon schools, then there can be Muslim schools. Freedom of religion is for all religions, not just yours.

On the other hand if any school preaches terrorism and hate it should be shut down.

the problem is, many of us do not view Islam as a religion, it is a cult, a dangerous cult that seeks to convert everyone or kill them

TINCANBANDIT wrote:

snozzberries wrote:If there can be Christian schools and Mormon schools, then there can be Muslim schools. Freedom of religion is for all religions, not just yours.

On the other hand if any school preaches terrorism and hate it should be shut down.

the problem is, many of us do not view Islam as a religion, it is a cult, a dangerous cult that seeks to convert everyone or kill them

So because YOU think its a cult? By definition its a religion. The fastest growing religion in the world actually. Im not excited about it, but our constitution has to work for everyone, not just people you deem worthy.

TINCANBANDIT wrote:

snozzberries wrote:If there can be Christian schools and Mormon schools, then there can be Muslim schools. Freedom of religion is for all religions, not just yours.

On the other hand if any school preaches terrorism and hate it should be shut down.

the problem is, many of us do not view Islam as a religion, it is a cult, a dangerous cult that seeks to convert everyone or kill them

That's the problem with Religion, anybody can just make one up. That's why the Constitution declares that the government cannot recognize the existence of a religion. In the governments eyes, religions don't exist, and have no legal meaning or legal standing.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

That means the government can't acknowledge religious establishments. It's not that government can't intrude on religion; they can just like they can intrude on any organization. It's not that there is a wall between religion and government; there is no wall because religions don't exist. It's not that this is a Christian nation founded on Christian principles and we should have God on our money and use religion as the law. The government is prohibited from acknowledging the existence of religious establishments.

Do you know the history of Christianity and Islam, and when they split? I never knew growing up because I was brainwashed with the teachiongs of the Roman Catholic Church. Let me explain it for you in case you don't know.

There was the great flood that Noah and his family survived.
Noahs son Shem, had a son Abraham. Abraham is the father of the 3 Abrahamic religions.

Abraham had a wife, they has sex, and had a son, the chosen son, Isaac. Christians are descendants of Isaac.
Abraham had a slave woman, they had sex, and had a son, Ishmael. Muslims are descendants of Ishamel.

The two families have been fighting ever since.

Did you catch that? Abraham had a slave, cause that's totally a Christian thing to do, and he fucked her, cheating on his wife, committing adultery, cause that's totally a Christian thing to do, and since that bastard child wasn't treated as part of Abrahams family he grew up to resent it. This is nothing but a pathetic 4000 year old family feud. If anybody ever invents time travel, please go back in time and kill Shem, so Abraham can never be born, and we can free the Human Civilization of 4000 years of hate and war.

In order for the human species to grow up, we need to cast aside our childish delusions. If we allow religion into the government, we end up with shit like this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/clay-naff ... 54198.html

A preacher of the Gospel, a priest, and a rabbi.

Sounds like front end of a bad joke, right? But that's the full list of religious officials deemed competent to perform marriages under HB1125, the bill that Oklahoma's House just passed in an attempt to restore ecclesiastical authority.

Religion is what's wrong with the world. If we allow Christian principles to define law, then we must allow Shira law to define law. The only way to free ourselves from Shira law, we must free ourselves from ALL religious influence.

/rant

snozzberries wrote:That's the problem with Religion, anybody can just make one up. That's why the Constitution declares that the government cannot recognize the existence of a religion. In the governments eyes, religions don't exist, and have no legal meaning or legal standing.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

That means the government can't acknowledge religious establishments. It's not that government can't intrude on religion; they can just like they can intrude on any organization. It's not that there is a wall between religion and government; there is no wall because religions don't exist. It's not that this is a Christian nation founded on Christian principles and we should have God on our money and use religion as the law. The government is prohibited from acknowledging the existence of religious establishments.

I think I know what you're trying to say here, but as worded it's not entirely accurate. The government can and does acknowledge the existence of religions, and religious groups do have legal standing. A perfect example is the exemption being given to members of certain religious groups to the ACA requirement to have health insurance coverage:

HealthCare.gov wrote:How to claim an exemption for members of a religious sect opposed to accepting insurance benefits:

If you’re a member of an approved religious sect or division opposed to accepting private or public insurance benefits, you qualify for a health coverage exemption.

This means you don’t have to pay the fee for any month you were a member of an approved religious sect or division.

There is a big difference between the state establishing an official religion and the state simply recognizing that religions exist and are entitled to certain rights.

solyanik wrote:

sounds....frightening.

Honestly - not any more than Christian colleges.

Muslim religious nuts:
- believe that the Earth is 6000 years old
- support barbaric methods of punishment
- don't like gays, liberals, humanists, etc.
- would like religion to be taught in schools
- don't like separation of church and state
-consider themselves persecuted
- support ethnic cleansing (against Israel)

Christian religious nuts
- believe that the Earth is 6000 years old
- support barbaric methods of punishment (I think it's reasonably safe to say that most enthusiastic supporters from this thread are Christians at least in upbringing: http://www.waguns.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=53367)
- don't like gays, liberals, humanists, etc.
- would like religion to be taught in schools
- don't like separation of church and state
-consider themselves persecuted
- support ethnic cleansing (against Palestinians)

But...
Muslim religious nuts...
- are mostly far, far away
- generally don't have aggressive foreign policy (don't touch them - they don't touch you)
- possess primitive weapons

Christian religious nuts...
- are right here at home
- are foreign policy hawks, enthusiastically supported all US invasions
- are armed to the teeth (for instance, US Air Force is more or less dominated by evangelical Christians: http://www.religioustolerance.org/relintolafa.htm)

The Russian arms dealer speaks much truth. Buy guns from him.

kf7mjf wrote:

solyanik wrote:

sounds....frightening.

Honestly - not any more than Christian colleges.

Muslim religious nuts:
- believe that the Earth is 6000 years old
- support barbaric methods of punishment
- don't like gays, liberals, humanists, etc.
- would like religion to be taught in schools
- don't like separation of church and state
-consider themselves persecuted
- support ethnic cleansing (against Israel)

Christian religious nuts
- believe that the Earth is 6000 years old
- support barbaric methods of punishment (I think it's reasonably safe to say that most enthusiastic supporters from this thread are Christians at least in upbringing: viewtopic.php?f=40&t=53367)
- don't like gays, liberals, humanists, etc.
- would like religion to be taught in schools
- don't like separation of church and state
-consider themselves persecuted
- support ethnic cleansing (against Palestinians)

But...
Muslim religious nuts...
- are mostly far, far away
- generally don't have aggressive foreign policy (don't touch them - they don't touch you)
- possess primitive weapons

Christian religious nuts...
- are right here at home
- are foreign policy hawks, enthusiastically supported all US invasions
- are armed to the teeth (for instance, US Air Force is more or less dominated by evangelical Christians: http://www.religioustolerance.org/relintolafa.htm)

The Russian arms dealer speaks much truth. Buy guns from him.

Can't

I refuse to comply to 594

Now thats a religion I can follow.

So you do not buy brand new guns ever since 1968? Because, FFL and all...

snozzberries wrote:
Abraham had a wife, they has sex, and had a son, the chosen son, Isaac. Christians are descendants of Isaac.
Abraham had a slave woman, they had sex, and had a son, Ishmael. Muslims are descendants of Ishamel.

The two families have been fighting ever since.

Um, no. Isaac is the forefather of Israel (i.e. the Jews). Christianians can be Jew or Gentile...it is not a blood thing.
Hagar was Sarah's handmaiden
Genesis 25:8-9 "Abraham breathed his last and died in a ripe old age, an old man and satisfied with life; and he was gathered to his people. Then his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah"....sounds pretty peaceful to me without all the fighting.

snozzberries wrote:Did you catch that? Abraham had a slave, cause that's totally a Christian thing to do, and he fucked her, cheating on his wife, committing adultery, cause that's totally a Christian thing to do, and since that bastard child wasn't treated as part of Abrahams family he grew up to resent it. This is nothing but a pathetic 4000 year old family feud. If anybody ever invents time travel, please go back in time and kill Shem, so Abraham can never be born, and we can free the Human Civilization of 4000 years of hate and war.

Genesis 16:3 "So after Abram had been living in Canaan ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian slave Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife." Sara kind of did that voluntarily there because Abraham was 86 years old when Ishmael was born.

snozzberries wrote:In order for the human species to grow up, we need to cast aside our childish delusions. If we allow religion into the government, we end up with shit like this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/clay-naff ... 54198.html.

First, can't believe you used huffpost as a source, but ok. IMO, the founding fathers intended their religious beliefs (their moral compass) to influence government. That is not is to say religion should be in government, but to say a person (in or out of government) should not be influenced by their core beliefs is naive.

snozzberries wrote:Religion is what's wrong with the world. If we allow Christian principles to define law, then we must allow Shira law to define law. The only way to free ourselves from Shira law, we must free ourselves from ALL religious influence.

I'd say intollerance is what is wrong. Someone with religion can show it just as someone without can (as you have so eloquently demonstrated).

kf7mjf wrote:

solyanik wrote:

sounds....frightening.

Honestly - not any more than Christian colleges.

Muslim religious nuts:
- believe that the Earth is 6000 years old
- support barbaric methods of punishment
- don't like gays, liberals, humanists, etc.
- would like religion to be taught in schools
- don't like separation of church and state
-consider themselves persecuted
- support ethnic cleansing (against Israel)

Christian religious nuts
- believe that the Earth is 6000 years old
- support barbaric methods of punishment (I think it's reasonably safe to say that most enthusiastic supporters from this thread are Christians at least in upbringing: http://www.waguns.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=53367)
- don't like gays, liberals, humanists, etc.
- would like religion to be taught in schools
- don't like separation of church and state
-consider themselves persecuted
- support ethnic cleansing (against Palestinians)

But...
Muslim religious nuts...
- are mostly far, far away
- generally don't have aggressive foreign policy (don't touch them - they don't touch you)
- possess primitive weapons

Christian religious nuts...
- are right here at home
- are foreign policy hawks, enthusiastically supported all US invasions
- are armed to the teeth (for instance, US Air Force is more or less dominated by evangelical Christians: http://www.religioustolerance.org/relintolafa.htm)

The Russian arms dealer speaks much truth. Buy guns from him.

Hardly the truth. Part of the reason I won't buy from Soly.

joao01 wrote:
Hardly the truth. Part of the reason I won't buy from Soly.

It's ok. My next new gun will be from him. Isn't capitalism awesome?

solyanik wrote:

sounds....frightening.

Honestly - not any more than Christian colleges.

Muslim religious nuts:
- believe that the Earth is 6000 years old
- support barbaric methods of punishment
- don't like gays, liberals, humanists, etc.
- would like religion to be taught in schools
- don't like separation of church and state
-consider themselves persecuted
- support ethnic cleansing (against Israel)

Christian religious nuts
- believe that the Earth is 6000 years old
- support barbaric methods of punishment (I think it's reasonably safe to say that most enthusiastic supporters from this thread are Christians at least in upbringing: http://www.waguns.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=53367)
- don't like gays, liberals, humanists, etc.
- would like religion to be taught in schools
- don't like separation of church and state
-consider themselves persecuted
- support ethnic cleansing (against Palestinians)

But...
Muslim religious nuts...
- are mostly far, far away
- generally don't have aggressive foreign policy (don't touch them - they don't touch you)
- possess primitive weapons

Christian religious nuts...
- are right here at home
- are foreign policy hawks, enthusiastically supported all US invasions
- are armed to the teeth (for instance, US Air Force is more or less dominated by evangelical Christians: http://www.religioustolerance.org/relintolafa.htm)

What is so wrong with believing the earth is 6000 years old? Does that hold any bearing on anything? I sure wasn't around when the earth was formed, so who cares?

How is a firing squad barbaric?

Show me where Christianity says not to like Gays, Liberals or Humanists?

I would like religion to be taught at School. I want to choose what my children receive. For the state to teach religion though in public school is wrong.

I don't believe seperation of Church and State exists the way you think it does. I don't deny that it does now through precidence and our secular society, but it was not something the founding fathers intended. The first amendment does not say seperation of Church and State (it says Government should not influence religion). The phrase comes from Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists.

Christians are persecuted now. How else do you explain the government forcing someone to go against their beliefs to bake a cake for a Homosexual wedding?

How do Christians support cleansing Palestinians?

Where did Christians enthusiastically support ALL invasions (all is a strong word, I only need one exeption to prove it wrong).

Did you really just use the quote from your article "some students and staff at the school have the perception that the academy favors evangelical Christians and is intolerant of those who do not share their faith" to somehow imply that Christians are armed to the teeth and the Air Force is dominated by evangelicals? USAFA is not the Air Force. How many people do you know who went there? Some West Point cadet made the same claim, but either are hardly proof of rampant evangelism within the Military. I can't believe about about to link to Huff Post, but here is the whiney little cadet: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/blake-pag ... 32279.html.

kf7mjf wrote:So you do not buy brand new guns ever since 1968? Because, FFL and all...

Thats not at all what I said.......

Soly might have a bitching shop and if I was in the neighborhood I'd buy Mags etc from him.

F....594


Back on topic.....

If this college starts teaching how the infidels need to be erradicated then it ceases to be a college and becomes a terrorist cel and hopefully will be treated as such.

Though with the present administration I doubt anything would happen....

Actually Barry Obie'd probably give 'em a grant for weapons.

kf7mjf wrote:

joao01 wrote:
Hardly the truth. Part of the reason I won't buy from Soly.

It's ok. My next new gun will be from him. Isn't capitalism awesome?

Yes, it is. I support your right to vote with your dollars.

WaJim wrote:

kf7mjf wrote:So you do not buy brand new guns ever since 1968? Because, FFL and all...

Thats not at all what I said.......

Soly might have a bitching shop and if I was in the neighborhood I'd buy Mags etc from him.

F....594


Back on topic.....

If this college starts teaching how the infidels need to be erradicated then it ceases to be a college and becomes a terrorist cel and hopefully will be treated as such.

Though with the present administration I doubt anything would happen....

Actually Barry Obie'd probably give 'em a grant for weapons.

Absolutely. They should be able to have a college and teach whatever they want so long as they don't start giving out degrees in explosive vests.

Believing the earth is 6000 years old (or some other young earth nonsense) in spite of easily verified and observable evidence to the contrary shows a short circuit in critical thinking and analysis. Relevant xkcd http://xkcd.com/154/

Take a look at where most of the money opposing gay marriage, etc... comes from and get back to me.

Religion taught at school from a religious indoctrination point of view or an academic point of view?

The first amendment prohibits a government funded religion. That has been interpreted to mean not allowing public money to be spent promoting religion. You know the drill.

I don't think that a business should have to deal with people they don't want to. On the other hand, when you open a business, you do so knowing the laws of the land in which you operate, which include non discrimination. However, yeah. That's some hardcore persecution. I bet Christians are afraid to walk the streets now, for fear of cake eating queers.

Umm... go hang out with some of the Pro Israel Evangelical crowd. Ethnic cleansing may be too harsh a word, but those nuts have a raging hard on for Israel. They need Israel to complete their messianic apocalyptic dogma, plus they think they get special cookies from God for supporting Israel. In a nutshell, Muslims bad, Israel must control Jerusalem, Temple on the Mount has to go, Jewish temple must be built again, then receive Jebus!

He said Christian religious nuts are hawks, not all Christians.