First Muslim College in California

[kf7mjf]

So you do not buy brand new guns ever since 1968? Because, FFL and all...

Thats not at all what I said.......

Soly might have a bitching shop and if I was in the neighborhood I'd buy Mags etc from him.

F....594

I talked about buying guns from a dealer. You brought up 594. Which has nothing to do with traditional dealer sales.

[Guns4Liberty]

Yet another thread derailed by religion-bashing. This is getting to be far too regular an occurrence in these forums.

[kf7mjf]

Yet another thread derailed by religion-bashing. This is getting to be far too regular an occurrence in these forums.

Which religion did you not like see bashed? The one that has a book full of an angry god ordering his followers to slaughter non believers and that treats women as second class citizens, or the other one that has a book full of an angry god ordering his followers to slaughter non believers and that treats women as second class citizens?

[joao01]

Believing the earth is 6000 years old (or some other young earth nonsense) in spite of easily verified and observable evidence to the contrary shows a short circuit in critical thinking and analysis. Relevant xkcd http://xkcd.com/154/

Take a look at where most of the money opposing gay marriage, etc... comes from and get back to me.

Religion taught at school from a religious indoctrination point of view or an academic point of view?

The first amendment prohibits a government funded religion. That has been interpreted to mean not allowing public money to be spent promoting religion. You know the drill.

I don't think that a business should have to deal with people they don't want to. On the other hand, when you open a business, you do so knowing the laws of the land in which you operate, which include non discrimination. However, yeah. That's some hardcore persecution. I bet Christians are afraid to walk the streets now, for fear of cake eating queers.

Umm... go hang out with some of the Pro Israel Evangelical crowd. Ethnic cleansing may be too harsh a word, but those nuts have a raging hard on for Israel. They need Israel to complete their messianic apocalyptic dogma, plus they think they get special cookies from God for supporting Israel. In a nutshell, Muslims bad, Israel must control Jerusalem, Temple on the Mount has to go, Jewish temple must be built again, then receive Jebus!

He said Christian religious nuts are hawks, not all Christians.

Both evolutionists and creationists select different "facts" when coming to the conclusion. Both are beliefs. None of us were there. We form our beliefs based on the data available to us. If you have some spare time, watch the debate of Bill Nye vs. Ken Hamm. Both have good presentations. In the end, both have merit and each of us must select what we choose to believe. Regardless, saying that someone believes the earth to be 6,000 years old seems completley irrelevant to me.

Religious organizations may donate a lot to protect traditional marriage, fight gay marriage, etc. Just because they don't condone the action, doesn't mean they don't like gay people. I don't like that my brother in law votes against the 2A, but that doesn't mean I don't like the guy. Soly may be right that it is a view held by the far right.

I'm pro-Israel, but the rest of what you said is pretty off base...about me anyway and most of the Christians I know.

I only fear lemon cake.

[joao01]

Yet another thread derailed by religion-bashing. This is getting to be far too regular an occurrence in these forums.

right you are.

My post was meant to be about the potential for home grown terrorism, not bashing Islam.

[joao01]

Yet another thread derailed by religion-bashing. This is getting to be far too regular an occurrence in these forums.

Which religion did you not like see bashed? The one that has a book full of an angry god ordering his followers to slaughter non believers and that treats women as second class citizens, or the other one that has a book full of an angry god ordering his followers to slaughter non believers and that treats women as second class citizens?

Have you read the Koran and the Bible both, or are you just making a generalization based on your perception? Have you been in a Mosque or Church where you believe this to be taught?

[kf7mjf]

There is clear cut empirical evidence showing the planet is far older than 6,000 years old. And that is just human created artifacts. I've watched the Nye/Hamm debte. Hamm is a hack and a nutter. 2/10 wouldn't waste my time again. Beliefs are meaningless against facts and observable data, and trying to compare religious dogma to citable fact based science is so off balance as to lack value.

You sound like a middle of the road Christian. Good on you. The far right versions are the ones that drive a lot more political power than you might think. I was raised in a far right religious household and held those beliefs into my 20's. It's real. All too fucking real, and downright scary, especially the Israel shit.

[joao01]

There is clear cut empirical evidence showing the planet is far older than 6,000 years old. And that is just human created artifacts. I've watched the Nye/Hamm debte. Hamm is a hack and a nutter. 2/10 wouldn't waste my time again. Beliefs are meaningless against facts and observable data, and trying to compare religious dogma to citable fact based science is so off balance as to lack value.

You sound like a middle of the road Christian. Good on you. The far right versions are the ones that drive a lot more political power than you might think. I was raised in a far right religious household and held those beliefs into my 20's. It's real. All too fucking real, and downright scary, especially the Israel shit.

For the most part, I like what you post here to the forum. My only reservation is that you have a cat.

[TINCANBANDIT]

If there can be Christian schools and Mormon schools, then there can be Muslim schools. Freedom of religion is for all religions, not just yours.

On the other hand if any school preaches terrorism and hate it should be shut down.

the problem is, many of us do not view Islam as a religion, it is a cult, a dangerous cult that seeks to convert everyone or kill them

So because YOU think its a cult? By definition its a religion. The fastest growing religion in the world actually. Im not excited about it, but our constitution has to work for everyone, not just people you deem worthy.

A religion has love for their fellow man, they help their fellow man, they feed their fellow man. How many Islamic churches send aid to Africa? How many have soup kitchens to feed the homeless?

I don't see any love coming from Islam. I see hate, misogynistic men who treat women like cattle, I see intolerance for anyone different. I also see a lot of murdering of people who do not believe in Islam


Mark my words......Islam will be the cause of the next World War

[kf7mjf]

http://islam.about.com/od/activism/tp/charities.htm Islam is a minority in this country. Their charitable actions and organizations are of limited scope and reach here, and not always apparent.

As far as I can tell, the moderate Muslims are as charitable as the modern Christians in their own dominant culture.

[kf7mjf]

For the most part, I like what you post here to the forum. My only reservation is that you have a cat.

My cat is a badass cat. Ask Soldier Citizen.

[OhShoot!]

If there can be Christian schools and Mormon schools, then there can be Muslim schools. Freedom of religion is for all religions, not just yours.

On the other hand if any school preaches terrorism and hate it should be shut down.

the problem is, many of us do not view Islam as a religion, it is a cult, a dangerous cult that seeks to convert everyone or kill them

So because YOU think its a cult? By definition its a religion. The fastest growing religion in the world actually. Im not excited about it, but our constitution has to work for everyone, not just people you deem worthy.

A religion has love for their fellow man, they help their fellow man, they feed their fellow man. How many Islamic churches send aid to Africa? How many have soup kitchens to feed the homeless?

I don't see any love coming from Islam. I see hate, misogynistic men who treat women like cattle, I see intolerance for anyone different. I also see a lot of murdering of people who do not believe in Islam


Mark my words......Islam will be the cause of the next World War

http://muslimgoodnews.com/
there you go! Muslim Good News! ;)

[joao01]

Having been to the middle east, most Muslims just want to raise their family and put food on the table....same as the rest of us. Most "muslims" I believe are fairly secular, as many Christians are also fairly secular.

Radicalism, regardless of the source, rarely leads to good things (i.e. ISIS).

Let us hope that Muslim colleges are not a source of radicalism.

[joao01]

For the most part, I like what you post here to the forum. My only reservation is that you have a cat.

My cat is a badass cat. Ask Soldier Citizen.

I don't doubt that your cat is badass. I just find people with cats....shifty sometimes.

[kf7mjf]

For the most part, I like what you post here to the forum. My only reservation is that you have a cat.

My cat is a badass cat. Ask Soldier Citizen.

I don't doubt that your cat is badass. I just find people with cats....shifty sometimes.

Dan has a cat.