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Re: Why our children don't think there are moral facts
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:15 am
by Guns4Liberty
solyanik wrote:DSynger wrote:I'd say anyone who openly belongs to the Communist or Socialist parties in the U.S. People who support abortions, but want firearms completely banned. PETA. The people that come out to riot in Seattle on May 1st. I would agree there are more extreme conservatives in Congress that progressives, but that's not the limit of nutters in this country.
According to your definition (excluding abortion - which is the fucking law of the land; supporting it does not make someone extreme) - there is NO ONE in Congress who is extreme progressive.
So as long as something is codified into law (or interpreted by a court opinion as being protected by a law, as is the case with abortion) - no matter what it is - support of it is not extreme?
Re: Why our children don't think there are moral facts
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:30 am
by RENCORP
Well, Soly, at least you got one post right in this smug little diatribe.
All government at the federal level - is parasitical, sick, and diseased.
Any labels you hang on it are window dressing.
The animal is all the same - your approach is like a blind man touching the asshole of an animal, and calling it a stinky octopus - when, it is in reality, a dog.
C'mon Soly, you used to be able to troll intellectually far better than this tripe.
Re: Why our children don't think there are moral facts
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:31 am
by kf7mjf
RENCORP wrote:
C'mon Soly, you used to be able to troll intellectually far better than this tripe.
Maybe he's trying to reach a broader audience?
Re: Why our children don't think there are moral facts
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:43 am
by DocNugent
solyanik wrote:Serious question: how do conservatives today cope with what conservatives in the previous generation did (such as the post above), which was completely discredited later? Doc?
Ask a conservative.
Re: Why our children don't think there are moral facts
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:44 am
by joao01
solyanik wrote:Also - fucking really? Feinstein is a progressive?
- Supported Iraq war. Supported troops escalation
- Supported wiretapping
- Cosponsored Patriot Act
- Supports capital punishment
- Tough on crime
- Cosponsored flag desecration amendment
- For Internet censoring
- Called for Snowden's arrest
- Strong supported of NSA bullshit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_ ... _FeinsteinPretty fucking please. Being anti-gun does not automatically make someone a liberal, or a progressive...
Re: Why our children don't think there are moral facts
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:44 am
by solyanik
@Doc: I thought you were one :-)?
Re: Why our children don't think there are moral facts
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:05 am
by DocNugent
solyanik wrote:Parties change names/ideologies - democrats today are what republicans were in 1950s, and vice versa. But the ideological directions stay the same. . . .
You're half right (failing grade, as you know).
Today's GOP has become much more like the Dems during the '50s (i.e., more Progressive), but the Dems have gone even harder to the left, thus maintaining - not reversing - the relationship between the two.
See Overton Window below.
Re: Why our children don't think there are moral facts
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:09 am
by solyanik
Ummmm... exactly what puts Democrats more to the left? I think we've been through the whole "Obama is a Marxist" thing - the GINI coefficient under Obama grew as much as it did under Bush. top 1% is as healthy as ever - hardly an indication of left-wing politics.
Re: Why our children don't think there are moral facts
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:11 am
by DocNugent
solyanik wrote:Ummmm... exactly what puts Democrats more to the left? I think we've been through the whole "Obama is a Marxist" thing - the GINI coefficient under Obama grew as much as it did under Bush. top 1% is as healthy as ever - hardly an indication of left-wing politics.
I think you are blinded by personalities. Compare the DNC and GOP platforms to take individuals out of the discussion. Those differences should be quite evident.
Re: Why our children don't think there are moral facts
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:12 am
by solyanik
Guns4Liberty wrote:solyanik wrote:DSynger wrote:I'd say anyone who openly belongs to the Communist or Socialist parties in the U.S. People who support abortions, but want firearms completely banned. PETA. The people that come out to riot in Seattle on May 1st. I would agree there are more extreme conservatives in Congress that progressives, but that's not the limit of nutters in this country.
According to your definition (excluding abortion - which is the fucking law of the land; supporting it does not make someone extreme) - there is NO ONE in Congress who is extreme progressive.
So as long as something is codified into law (or interpreted by a court opinion as being protected by a law, as is the case with abortion) - no matter what it is - support of it is not extreme?
Are you really this dense? Abortion is supported by vast majority of the people in this country. Only 15% of the population wants abortion to be illegal under all circumstances. So no, support for abortion is not extremism - the other way around is.
Re: Why our children don't think there are moral facts
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:13 am
by DSynger
solyanik wrote:DSynger wrote:I'd say anyone who openly belongs to the Communist or Socialist parties in the U.S. People who support abortions, but want firearms completely banned. PETA. The people that come out to riot in Seattle on May 1st. I would agree there are more extreme conservatives in Congress that progressives, but that's not the limit of nutters in this country.
According to your definition (excluding abortion - which is the fucking law of the land; supporting it does not make someone extreme) - there is NO ONE in Congress who is extreme progressive.
Lol
I'll just repeat this sentence, it could be the statement is going against your beliefs so your brain is having troubles with it or not being a native American speaker...
"People who support abortions, but want firearms completely banned."
I support abortions, and I don't believe I'm extreme.
Re: Why our children don't think there are moral facts
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:14 am
by solyanik
DocNugent wrote:solyanik wrote:Ummmm... exactly what puts Democrats more to the left? I think we've been through the whole "Obama is a Marxist" thing - the GINI coefficient under Obama grew as much as it did under Bush. top 1% is as healthy as ever - hardly an indication of left-wing politics.
I think you are blinded by personalities. Compare the DNC and GOP platforms to take individuals out of the discussion. Those differences should be quite evident.
I am not asking what puts democrats to the left of republicans. Republicans are now to the right of fucking Mussolini in this country. EVERYONE is to the left of them. I am asking what puts them on the left. Democrats in US are to the right of pretty much every major political party in Europe. They are anything BUT a left-wing party.
Re: Why our children don't think there are moral facts
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:17 am
by solyanik
DSynger wrote:solyanik wrote:DSynger wrote:I'd say anyone who openly belongs to the Communist or Socialist parties in the U.S. People who support abortions, but want firearms completely banned. PETA. The people that come out to riot in Seattle on May 1st. I would agree there are more extreme conservatives in Congress that progressives, but that's not the limit of nutters in this country.
According to your definition (excluding abortion - which is the fucking law of the land; supporting it does not make someone extreme) - there is NO ONE in Congress who is extreme progressive.
Lol
I'll just repeat this sentence, it could be the statement is going against your beliefs so your brain is having troubles with it or not being a native American speaker...
"People who support abortions, but want firearms completely banned."
I support abortions, and I don't believe I'm extreme.
Sorry - I did not realize you tied them together, as these two have nothing in common. Ok.
What percentage of people in Congress want firearms completely banned?
Re: Why our children don't think there are moral facts
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:20 am
by DocNugent
solyanik wrote:DSynger wrote:. . . it could be the statement is going against your beliefs so your brain is having troubles with it or not being a native American speaker...
. . . What percentage of people in Congress want firearms completely banned?
And what percentage of people in Congress have an unspun grasp of English? For example, ". . . shall not be infringed."
Re: Why our children don't think there are moral facts
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:24 am
by RENCORP
solyanik wrote:DSynger wrote:solyanik wrote:DSynger wrote:I'd say anyone who openly belongs to the Communist or Socialist parties in the U.S. People who support abortions, but want firearms completely banned. PETA. The people that come out to riot in Seattle on May 1st. I would agree there are more extreme conservatives in Congress that progressives, but that's not the limit of nutters in this country.
According to your definition (excluding abortion - which is the fucking law of the land; supporting it does not make someone extreme) - there is NO ONE in Congress who is extreme progressive.
Lol
I'll just repeat this sentence, it could be the statement is going against your beliefs so your brain is having troubles with it or not being a native American speaker...
"People who support abortions, but want firearms completely banned."
I support abortions, and I don't believe I'm extreme.
Sorry - I did not realize you tied them together, as these two have nothing in common. Ok.
What percentage of people in Congress want firearms completely banned?
I don't know - probably the same as the percentage that want all of us in FEMA camps waiting to be turned into soap to save the children.