Does Islam Promote Violence?

[CurtisLemansky]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=PzusSqcotDw


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[TINCANBANDIT]

How do you explain all the "self radicalization" that occurs outside of the "typical" extremist Middle-Eastern countries? We have extremist Muslims in Australia, Canada, France, England, Sweden, Africa, Indonesia and even in America.

They all read the same book and FAR too many of them decide to kill non-believers....in your estimation is that just some weird co-incidence or is it the religion?

[CurtisLemansky]

What's the real cause of their "self" radicalization? Because of a book... or because western countries keep drone bombing women and children in the Middle East? Or because we continue to try and overthrow governments that don't do our bidding which results in... more innocent people dead? There are many plausible reasons, but the fact that we continue to kill tens of thousands of people there is far more plausible than the influence of a book. I know it's a lot easier to blame religion than to admit to the consequences of our own actions, but millions of Muslims prove your theory wrong.

Did you even watch the video?


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[ANZAC]

What's the real cause of their "self" radicalization? Because of a book... or because western countries keep drone bombing women and children in the Middle East? Or because we continue to try and overthrow governments that don't do our bidding which results in... more innocent people dead? There are many plausible reasons, but the fact that we continue to kill tens of thousands of people there is far more plausible than the influence of a book. I know it's a lot easier to blame religion than to admit to the consequences of our own actions, but millions of Muslims prove your theory wrong.

Did you even watch the video?

Don't make them think too hard. It is just easier to believe a different religion is evil and call it a day.

[toys in the toybox]

protecting ones home, neighborhood, city, boarders is my first priority and this is NOT based on any religion.

So im not sure how one makes the leap of spending years or maybe decades planting people and "cells" meanwhile spending millions to support those efforts, beheading everything they can get ahold of and then getting to say "hey its just a little payback"

So what excuse is there for all the ISIS wanna be's or those that are joining the fight from all the other countries including the US ??? They simply have no family in the warzone only commonality is the religion so they have to be terrorists and doing what they do for the cause or religion correct?? or am i missing something?

Just like a gun, a book can do nothing to anyone all by itself. It takes a person or persons to use those instruments and its wierd that its allah and allah alone thats mad at the entire world (especially the US) and then if you bother to look and see what they do AND justify to thier own people then i find it extremely difficult to file thier actions under simple payback to the evil west


I do not sponsor or claim any religion so forcing one to adhere to a religion and its practices based on location or where one is born to me is silly. In my eyes religion has always been about a way to control the masses and each individual can find in it whatever they want. Its almost a very skeletonized form of government or societal rules for all under its umbrella to live by and not that polite society doesnt need some structure. However for most people there is a moral limit to those controls and while i understand everyone is different, what this particular group does in the name of allah, the great pumpkin or the local goat god is just wrong

[kf7mjf]

ISIS markets itself as anti western. Lots of people who want to stick it to the man or are anti establishment will see value in becoming an ISIS "freedom fighter"

[ANZAC]

protecting ones home, neighborhood, city, boarders is my first priority and this is NOT based on any religion.

So im not sure how one makes the leap of spending years or maybe decades planting people and "cells" meanwhile spending millions to support those efforts, beheading everything they can get ahold of and then getting to say "hey its just a little payback"

So are you suspicious of those people at the mosque down the street?

[CurtisLemansky]

So im not sure how one makes the leap of spending years or maybe decades planting people and "cells"

I would love to see a cite that shows this is actually happening.

So what excuse is there for all the ISIS wanna be's or those that are joining the fight from all the other countries including the US ??? They simply have no family in the warzone only commonality is the religion so they have to be terrorists and doing what they do for the cause or religion correct?? or am i missing something?

You assume what happens in the Middle East only effects, and will have an emotional impact on, the people that live there.

Just like a gun, a book can do nothing to anyone all by itself. It takes a person or persons to use those instruments

That's the whole point of the OP. We keep demonizing all Muslims and disparaging their religion, applying gross generalizations upon millions of otherwise peaceful people (people that even live in places we consider to be Muslim countries). Really, entire Muslim countries that're peaceful? Yes, they exist.

and its wierd that its allah and allah alone thats mad at the entire world (especially the US) and then if you bother to look and see what they do AND justify to thier own people then i find it extremely difficult to file thier actions under simple payback to the evil west

Not sure what you're trying to say here, that only Muslims are committing violent acts in the world today? That they're the only ones that think we shouldn't be there? Really... you have to remember these countries we regularly bomb aren't bursting at the seams with extremists. They're just the ones that happen to have the most guns and there's millions of innocent people that can only concern themselves with survival and protecting their families. My point was that regardless of the initial cause, we are exacerbating the problem and applying bigoted labels to millions of people isn't helping people understand that. I would remind everyone that the biggest supporter of terrorist states is our own ally.


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[CurtisLemansky]

, what this particular group does in the name of allah, the great pumpkin or the local goat god is just wrong

I completely agree with your last paragraph, however just because a tiny percentage of people that prescribe to this faith commit atrocities does not mean we can blame them all for it. With that logic, the same could be applied to label every person in the entire world a monster.


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[toys in the toybox]

So what you are saying is that just like I594 stopped all violence, that if we pulled out of any and all muslim countries that there would be ZERO violence anywhere in the world from any muslim based group, dont get me wrong i dindnt say ALL, i said any. Generalizing is ignorant and stating that all violence from this religious sect is based solely on nato/us actions i think would be a bit of a stretch.

So what your saying is that the violence they heap upon thier own people is ok with you??

No Anzac unlike you i dont pretend that registering guns will retire all crime, im not scared one bit of a book or a building its the individuals that scare me. I dont blame any single race, religion, group etc for the actions of an individual. But when you do what you do in the name of a group that will certainly get my attention and one would be remiss to not take into consideration this liitle factoid

That being said im not stupid and stick my head far enough into the sand to ignore the fact that stereotypes exist for a reason. Or that it might be kinda dumb for me to go to downtown detroit, oakland or some middle eastern sand box and think the only thing i should do to protect myself is carry a bible and a bunch of daisies


One super small example from above...didnt certain people come to this country, learn to fly planes and then hijack big planes and drive them into some towers??? that should cover a "cite" for you. You dont learn to fly in a day, nor is it free

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[CurtisLemansky]

So what you are saying is that just like I594 stopped all violence, that if we pulled out of any and all muslim countries that there would be ZERO violence anywhere in the world from any muslim based group, dont get me wrong i dindnt say ALL, i said any. Generalizing is ignorant and stating that all violence from this religious sect is based solely on nato/us actions i think would be a bit of a stretch.

I never said that, just stated one of the more realistic causes of extremism.

So what your saying is that the violence they heap upon thier own people is ok with you??

I never said that either.


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[CurtisLemansky]

Generalizing is ignorant

That being said im not stupid and stick my head far enough into the sand to ignore the fact that stereotypes exist for a reason.

These two statements seem a bit contradictory.


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[H2obouget]

Radical Muslims are like Anti-gunners.
They believe what they believe based on what they are told by other believers.

Radical Muslins are a giant cult...a cult with 1000+ years of conversion experience.
If you think this is simply about drones and changing political views, you are sadly mistaken.
Radical Muslims believe that you and I are lesser beings simply because we are not of their faith.
Islam, in general, has seriously fucked up beliefs when it comes to women. Radical Islam takes that even further..

When it comes to destroying the Infidel... There are no rules. Lieing, cheating, stealing, attacking the young, old, weak, injured...all legit targets...because they are lesser beings. "Sure we'll sign that peace accord.." Then blow it up once everyone shows up...no honor lost...in fact honor gained...it resulted in lots of lesser beings being destroyed.

I would suggest you do some serious reading on some of the shit done in the name of Allah.


And yes shit gets done in the name of other religions...but I can't remember the last time a group of Christians went around raping and massacring 100's of 4 to 14 year old girls. Or Jews traveling to another country to blow up a Christian Church.
These Radical M#F#s...do those things all the time... With the specific purpose of furthering their religion.
And, news shock, they were doing it before we started bombing them...just no one cared because it was minor damage in some third world hell hole. Now..it BREAKING NEWS in the WAR on TERROR!

[CurtisLemansky]

You guys are hopeless, watch the video then come discuss. You aren't even addressing the actual topic presented.


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[toys in the toybox]

And that is my point.....i dont think most of us assume that ALL muslims are out to get us but its wierd that thats the group that most of the terrorist type violence has come from in the last decade or so. Then there is the reports that homegrown individuals are running to the east and joining the fight. How do these individuals from loving homes and mosques where nothing but peace and tolerance is taught (and not a single member of these groups) saw the direction these idiots are going and said or did anything to stop it. Not that these are the entirety of isis

Sorry, if i was at church on sunday (well way more often as i understand it for the muslim faith) and bubba said " i hate the government and i think someone should bomb the white house" that someone in that group, well actually nobody ever seems to notice these radicals (which seems wierd) that i would at least take notice of bubba and or report his activities or what he said

Sorry in my book you are either part of the problem OR part of the solution and to say that no one who is on the good side ever saw or heard anything as it related to the "bad side" in these individuals would be ignorant in my book. Where there is smoke there is fire, where there is one there is probably two. Loners are usually not loners but have a remote or select group