Re: This is Why We Can't Trust the State with Execution
Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:30 am
kf7mjf wrote:
That's why I am in favor of prison labor.
Bring back chain gangs...
Jail laborers are a win-win for a lot of reasons. For all you state employees, I am sure you have heard of CI, or Correctional Industries? They make pretty much all State office furniture. Cubicles, desks, custom reception desks, etc. And they do a damn fine job! Cost is minimal as well.
Expand programs like that. Non-violent prisoners get a lot of work detail. If you are good, you get to work the good jobs. If you are bad, you will be digging ditches.
I am also torn on Capital Punishment. I think it should only be for the most heinous crimes, but should be a swift action... Not 20+ years of appeals and rights etc etc. You get one shot to try and appeal your death, within 12 months of your original sentence. On day 366, you are dead.
Re: This is Why We Can't Trust the State with Execution
Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:41 am
kf7mjf wrote:Simple. Take the high road, abolish the death penalty and take solace in knowing that with lifetime imprisonment, at least the human filth can do something useful like make license plates. Killing somebody in custody who has no chance of ever getting out only satisfies the primal desire for revenge.
Except Campbell murdered 3 people while he was in prison. He bribed a guard (not an uncommon occurrence) and walked away from work release. I notice he hasn't killed anyone since he was executed.
I'm not in love with the death penalty but there are cases where it may be the best of several not-great options.
Re: This is Why We Can't Trust the State with Execution
Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:23 am
I support capital punishment, but only if it is doled out correctly.
They should really take every person on death row, give them an appeal, review the evidence, and the obvious ones go to the front of the express lane to meet John Doe's merry band on anonymous firing squad people.
If there is any reasonable doubt, lock them up for life and throw away the key. Just make sure they're doing something constructive.
Oregon has a great program for inmate revenue sources - anyone else here wear Prison Blues clothing?
www.prisonblues.com
They should really take every person on death row, give them an appeal, review the evidence, and the obvious ones go to the front of the express lane to meet John Doe's merry band on anonymous firing squad people.
If there is any reasonable doubt, lock them up for life and throw away the key. Just make sure they're doing something constructive.
Oregon has a great program for inmate revenue sources - anyone else here wear Prison Blues clothing?
www.prisonblues.com
This is Why We Can't Trust the State with Execution
Sat Apr 04, 2015 6:45 am
Alabama man off death row after 28 years
3-4 people exonerated each year for the past 40 years, and that's just the ones lucky enough to be proven innocent. Sickening.
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According to the Death Penalty Information Center, Hinton is the 152nd person exonerated from death row since 1973 and the sixth in Alabama.
3-4 people exonerated each year for the past 40 years, and that's just the ones lucky enough to be proven innocent. Sickening.
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Re: This is Why We Can't Trust the State with Execution
Sat Apr 04, 2015 7:20 am
One Problem....there is NO such thing as life imprisonment without parole....Charles Mason sees the parole board every few years...A guy that broke into my parents house & assaulted my brother had two previous violent felonies on his record, he was given life under the three strikes law....he served less than 10 years
Re: This is Why We Can't Trust the State with Execution
Sat Apr 04, 2015 7:33 am
When it's cut and dry (caught red-handed) like Ridgway, off him! Or the whack job that killed the people in the Colorado theater, or the Boston marathon Bomber - there is no doubt so just off these types of murderers.
Save money by abolishing the parole board and build more prisons! Make people serve their entire sentence. No more of this get 20 years and only serve 7.
Save money by abolishing the parole board and build more prisons! Make people serve their entire sentence. No more of this get 20 years and only serve 7.
Re: This is Why We Can't Trust the State with Execution
Sat Apr 04, 2015 7:42 am
RadioSquatch wrote:kf7mjf wrote:toys in the toybox wrote:Thats great but im not a fan of going to work each day knowing that ANY portion of my income is taken from me and used to provide three hots and a cot for rest of thier worthless life
yes we need to error on the side of caution considering the finality of this type of punishment but it needs to exist a some folks are just fucked in the head and there aint no fixin' it
Well that and prison and jails and sentences need to be at least a wee bit less pleasent, make the fuckers work all day instead of arguing over whats on tv
Make the place a disincentive, NOT a way of life or a pause from reality
That's why I am in favor of prison labor. Also, it has been shown that the cost of administering the death penalty can exceed the cost of life imprisonment.
Whats the going rate for 1 .380- 9mm bullet these days? $0.35? Yup wayyyyyyyy more costly than keeping them locked up for life..lets just wall mcneil island off and let them roam free there...among others of their kind..see who survives and who doesnt.
Hell, I'd even splurge, what's the price of a jhp .45?
I'm sorry, but if you robbed someone else of life.... Turn about is fair play.
And yes, rapists and child molesters rob of life too. Their victims will never stop feeling the pain, they will never experiance a normal life again.
End em, safe some Damned tax money, and put it to somethin useful
Re: This is Why We Can't Trust the State with Execution
Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:13 am
Classic wrote:When it's cut and dry (caught red-handed) like Ridgway, off him! Or the whack job that killed the people in the Colorado theater, or the Boston marathon Bomber - there is no doubt so just off these types of murderers.
Save money by abolishing the parole board and build more prisons! Make people serve their entire sentence. No more of this get 20 years and only serve 7.
Building more prisons and abolishing parole costs more. Community supervision is cheaper, and in the case of certain crimes, arguably as efficient. The far right tough on crime movement, coupled with for profit prisons have made an entire industry out of incarceration. Meanwhile, the US has the highest per capita rate of prisoners.
And as for the death penalty? Hammurabi called. He wants his primitive law code back.
Re: This is Why We Can't Trust the State with Execution
Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:48 am
kf7mjf wrote:Classic wrote:When it's cut and dry (caught red-handed) like Ridgway, off him! Or the whack job that killed the people in the Colorado theater, or the Boston marathon Bomber - there is no doubt so just off these types of murderers.
Save money by abolishing the parole board and build more prisons! Make people serve their entire sentence. No more of this get 20 years and only serve 7.
Building more prisons and abolishing parole costs more. Community supervision is cheaper, and in the case of certain crimes, arguably as efficient. The far right tough on crime movement, coupled with for profit prisons have made an entire industry out of incarceration. Meanwhile, the US has the highest per capita rate of prisoners.
And as for the death penalty? Hammurabi called. He wants his primitive law code back.
not really, it can be cheaper (see Joe Arpaio in Arizona, a county jail, but could be a model for prison efficiency) and the cost of inc incarceration is cheaper than the costs of the crimes these people commit. Let's say it costs $20K to keep one person in prison for a year ( I maybe low on my estimate, but again our system is probably far from peak efficiency)
What does that same repeat offender cost us on the outside? Consider:
The added cost of extra Police (include the investigators, crime lab, etc), border patrols, 911 system and operators, and other emergency responders
The added cost of security, alarm systems, locks, cameras, safes, etc... don't forget the labor hours involved as well...how much time do you spend locking up your stuff?
Insurance, deductibles, lost wages for taking time to deal with the loss or just taking the loss and buying new stuff 'cause the deductible was higher than the value of the items taken
The courts, defense attorneys, juror, county jails (while awaiting trial), transportation (to and from court)
Probation, parole, supervision....add these up
The cost of one court case (not including the victim's expenses) could easily exceed the $20K it would cost to keep the person in jail.....and that is just one court case! Multiply this times 5 or 10 or??
Then consider....peace of mind
nope, way cheaper to keep career criminals behind bars
Re: This is Why We Can't Trust the State with Execution
Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:04 am
Community Supervisors... REALLY? OMG.... 
At least get rid of them and hire more prison guards! We have jails that are 1/2 empty because of the lack of guards Inslee keeps on letting non violent offenders out which teaches them one thing, DON'T GET CAUGHT.
Now that they have a criminal record the chance of landing a job is now 10% of what it was so they return to crime.
If they are stuck in jail they wont be clogging up the courts again and again which is a cost savings in itself because free attorneys are free to them but they come out of the taxpayers pocket.
We need a huge island to turn it into a huge prison. Lifers win a free one way ticket or a handful of pills.... Their choice.
This island would be one hell of a deterrent!
At least get rid of them and hire more prison guards! We have jails that are 1/2 empty because of the lack of guards Inslee keeps on letting non violent offenders out which teaches them one thing, DON'T GET CAUGHT.
Now that they have a criminal record the chance of landing a job is now 10% of what it was so they return to crime.
If they are stuck in jail they wont be clogging up the courts again and again which is a cost savings in itself because free attorneys are free to them but they come out of the taxpayers pocket.
We need a huge island to turn it into a huge prison. Lifers win a free one way ticket or a handful of pills.... Their choice.
This island would be one hell of a deterrent!