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Germanwings crash... a bad day for aviation
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Site Supporter   Location: WA/MT Joined: Thu Sep 6, 2012 Posts: 8438 
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Can't plan for everything.
_________________ "Well, nobody's perfect." ― Osgood Fielding III WTB factory ammo 250 Savage (250-3000) any 375 H&H any 7x57 (7mm Mauser, 275 Rigby) 175's preferred |
| Thu Mar 26, 2015 10:57 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: Bellevue Joined: Tue Aug 6, 2013 Posts: 4895 Real Name: Jennifer
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My thinking is, if the guy had a psychotic break, even if there was another flight crew member in the cockpit temporarily, what would have stopped Mr. Lubitz from injuring/disabling/killing that other flight crew member? The only thing I can think of is perhaps having another flight crew member in the cockpit temporarily might have given Mr. Lubitz pause, or perhaps he might have been talked down...
_________________ "The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." ~ Samuel Adams "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." ~Tenzin Gyatso, aka His Holiness the Dalai Lama "We who are strong have an obligation to bear with the failings of the weak, and not to please ourselves." ~ Romans 15:1 "Ils Ont Les Armes, On Les Emmerde, On A Le Champagne!"~Charlie Hebdo, November 2015 |
| Thu Mar 26, 2015 12:48 pm |
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Site Supporter / FFL Dealer  Location: Lake Andes, S. Dakota Joined: Thu Aug 8, 2013 Posts: 1290 Real Name: Mark
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The website I use for global aviation events: http://avherald.com/h?article=483a5651&opt=0
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| Thu Mar 26, 2015 12:58 pm |
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 Site Supporter  Location: Tenino Joined: Fri Apr 15, 2011 Posts: 4425
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Folks I'm not an engineer for planes or any thing else and I understand the doors are now reinforced but like the planes that went down because of boxcutters, I doubt there is much in a plane that can't be breached given a wee bit of time and ingenuity......just sayin'
Mr plane will not meet the earth without a good fight and a whole lot of scratching and clawing |
| Thu Mar 26, 2015 2:01 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: Stanwood Joined: Sun Mar 11, 2012 Posts: 1919 Real Name: Chris
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toys in the toybox wrote: Folks I'm not an engineer for planes or any thing else and I understand the doors are now reinforced but like the planes that went down because of boxcutters, I doubt there is much in a plane that can't be breached given a wee bit of time and ingenuity......just sayin' Mr plane will not meet the earth without a good fight and a whole lot of scratching and clawing According to the cockpit voice recorder thats exactly what happened. |
| Thu Mar 26, 2015 2:56 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: Snohomish Joined: Fri Mar 25, 2011 Posts: 2035 Real Name: Steven
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MadPick wrote: Benja455 wrote: sinus211 wrote: rayjax82 wrote: Thats pretty easy to fix. My shop uses our employee badges as access badges for entry. Shouldn't be hard to set something similar up. Easy in theory, but problematic. What if a hijacker catches the captain on shit break and gets his badge? Now said hijacker has access to the cockpit and the locking door is pointless. IMO pilots need a lav in the cockpit area. Steve, get crackin! This! Steve, drop everything else and get on this! Yeah . . . could happen, we'll see. The biggest problem, of course, is space. EVERY DAMNED INCH on an airplane like that is accounted for. Cockpit's too small, you say, and you want it an inch longer? NO WAY. Not enough legroom, everyone needs one more inch? Not gonna happen unless the airline can justify the loss of seats and revenue. 9/11 caused enough of an uproar that the government and industry justified the enormous expense of retrofitting the entire fleet with secure, bulletproof doors. (Yes, it's a lot harder than it sounds.) Will the Germanwings incident (combined with a few similar incidents in the past) be enough of a push to integrate a lavatory into the cockpit? I think it's unlikely, but possible. On most commercial airplanes there is a lavatory right next to the flight deck door. Let's say we move the door back, and make that lavatory a part of the flight deck, for flight crew use only. Then, we need to add ANOTHER lavatory for the passengers to use. Adding that lav means the loss of one triple seat, roughly speaking, and that's a big revenue hit for the airline. We'll see how it goes . . . I suspect the answer will be a procedural one. For example, require a flight attendant to go into the flight deck so there are always two people there. I thought you worked for Boeing not airbus..... _________________ Everyone that voted for 594 is a motherfucking moron |
| Thu Mar 26, 2015 3:02 pm |
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Site Admin   Location: Renton, WA Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 Posts: 53104 Real Name: Steve
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never_to_much wrote: I thought you worked for Boeing not airbus.....  _________________ Steve Benefactor Life Member, National Rifle Association Life Member, Second Amendment Foundation Patriot & Life Member, Gun Owners of America Life Member, Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms Legal Action Supporter, Firearms Policy Coalition Member, NAGR/NFGR Please support the organizations that support all of us. Leave it cleaner than you found it. |
| Thu Mar 26, 2015 3:25 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: WA/MT Joined: Thu Sep 6, 2012 Posts: 8438
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#BRING_BACK_THE_3RD_SEAT
........... that little computer gadget might be cheaper, but let's see a low time mealy mouth co-pilot out manueuver a crusty flight engineer. ........... especially in a damn Airbus.....wanna play suicide commando you say? *click* *click* try it now, biatch... ........... oh, what's that you say? Controls no workie you say? Tough shit, greenhorn, I'm in control now and here's a fire extinguisher to the cakehole, chew on that...biatch! ............ (pilot comes back) WTF happened in here? ............ someone needs a new diaper, autopilot is on and your right seat is 'disabled' for the duration of the flight. #BRING_BACK_THE_3RD_SEAT _________________ "Well, nobody's perfect." ― Osgood Fielding III WTB factory ammo 250 Savage (250-3000) any 375 H&H any 7x57 (7mm Mauser, 275 Rigby) 175's preferred |
| Thu Mar 26, 2015 3:48 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: I-5 /512 Joined: Thu Dec 8, 2011 Posts: 15491 Real Name: chris
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3rd seat sure, better yet why not diapers like NASCAR and astronauts. better yet why not have a hidden seat with toilet under it like tower crane guys use.
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| Thu Mar 26, 2015 4:09 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: WA/MT Joined: Thu Sep 6, 2012 Posts: 8438
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cmica wrote: better yet why not have a hidden seat with toilet under it like tower crane guys use. STEVE! JOB SECURITY!!! INDEPENDENT CONSULTANT BILLION DOLLAR IDEA!!!  _________________ "Well, nobody's perfect." ― Osgood Fielding III WTB factory ammo 250 Savage (250-3000) any 375 H&H any 7x57 (7mm Mauser, 275 Rigby) 175's preferred |
| Thu Mar 26, 2015 4:13 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: I-5 /512 Joined: Thu Dec 8, 2011 Posts: 15491 Real Name: chris
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dan360 wrote: cmica wrote: better yet why not have a hidden seat with toilet under it like tower crane guys use. STEVE! JOB SECURITY!!! INDEPENDENT CONSULTANT BILLION DOLLAR IDEA!!! do I get royalties   _________________ |
| Thu Mar 26, 2015 4:45 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: WA/MT Joined: Thu Sep 6, 2012 Posts: 8438
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cmica wrote: dan360 wrote: cmica wrote: better yet why not have a hidden seat with toilet under it like tower crane guys use. STEVE! JOB SECURITY!!! INDEPENDENT CONSULTANT BILLION DOLLAR IDEA!!! do I get royalties You could probably get him to sign over all the rights for cake... _________________ "Well, nobody's perfect." ― Osgood Fielding III WTB factory ammo 250 Savage (250-3000) any 375 H&H any 7x57 (7mm Mauser, 275 Rigby) 175's preferred |
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Site Supporter  Location: Spanaway WA Joined: Wed Jul 6, 2011 Posts: 6494 Real Name: Hugo Stiglitz
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L_O_G wrote: All pilots need to be mandated to wear Colostomy bags and Catheters. Problem solved. Isn't that what NASCAR Drivers do? |
| Thu Mar 26, 2015 5:22 pm |
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Site Supporter  Joined: Mon Aug 22, 2011 Posts: 4094
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The biggest problem, of course, is space. EVERY DAMNED INCH on an airplane like that is accounted for. Cockpit's too small, you say, and you want it an inch longer? NO WAY. Not enough legroom, everyone needs one more inch? Not gonna happen unless the airline can justify the loss of seats and revenue.
2 liter pop bottle...problem solved. _________________ FREE MEN do not need permission I Believe in the United States of America as a government of the people, for the people; whose just powers are derived from the consent of the governed; a democracy in a republic; a sovereign Nation of many sovereign States; a perfect union, one and inseparable; established upon those principles of freedom, equality, justice, and humanity for which American patriots sacrificed their lives and fortunes. I believe it is my duty to my country to love it, to support its Constitution, to obey its laws, to respect its flag, and to defend it against all enemies." William Tyler Page 1917 |
| Thu Mar 26, 2015 8:02 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: I-5 /512 Joined: Thu Dec 8, 2011 Posts: 15491 Real Name: chris
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Old Jim wrote: The biggest problem, of course, is space. EVERY DAMNED INCH on an airplane like that is accounted for. Cockpit's too small, you say, and you want it an inch longer? NO WAY. Not enough legroom, everyone needs one more inch? Not gonna happen unless the airline can justify the loss of seats and revenue. 2 liter pop bottle...problem solved. jim your forgetting something....what about #2. oh ya while at it with flip toilet lids you can always draw a curtain for privacy, do know there are lady pilots. _________________ |
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