The old players had way more fat too. Boz got ran over because he was likely hungover. There was also only a 20 lb difference between them. Look at how many times marshawn had 5 guys trying to stop him and the whole stack was still moving forward. Marshawn would also stutter step the old guys and they would all be falling on the ground as he blew past them. Current guys have way more muscle mass and every muscle strand is stronger too.

They sell standing room only tickets from time to time. If you don't want to count those, then I guess that's Boeing math.

From a Giants forum:

http://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/in ... ead=558953


Family has had season tickets since 1948.

I have attended virtually all home games since the early 1960s.

Something took place today I don't ever recall happening.

With about 5 minutes left on the game clock, and any chance at a Giants victory gone, the Seattle fans simply took over the entire stadium.

The chant was very loud and came from every corner of the stadium. SEA followed by others shouting HAWKS. On and on it went. Here we are in our home stadium, and the visiting teams fans have taken over the stadium.

Every Giants fan still at the game had to listen to it.

Every Giants player and coach had to listen to it.

Every Giants Front Office staff and owners had to listen to it.

Though it was 5 minutes on the gameclock, the chants went on for about 15-20 minutes of actual time before the game clock reached zero.

It was embarrassing. It was humbling. It was gut wrenching.

It hurt. It really hurt.

Plus, all new stadiums have a lot of suites. A lot of those can bring in more people than the fire Marshall says they're suppose to

I've been in a suite for 20 that had 35 people in it before.

I heard it on the TV.. It was AWESOME. I also loved when you could hear LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUKKKEEEEEEEE, whenever he caught the ball. Towards the end of the game, it looked like a lot of the Giants fans had left the stadium, lots of empty seats, but lots of 12's remained to the end.

That crossed my mind too. But remember when the Seahawks sucked back in the 80’s/90’s every game was sold out? I think that’s not unusual.


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Keep in mind back in the 80's/90's the NFL was not the monster it is now, so tickets, parking, food & beer were much more affordable.

I used to be able to go to a game at the Kingdome, and spend less than 30 bucks on parking, beer and food. Not counting the price of tickets, but they were way cheaper too.

It's not necessarily just size and numbers and stats. It's about ability and athleticism. The best in various positions have unlikely sizes. It's skill and pure ability that counts.

Yes, speed has gotten faster by a few fractions of a second across the board and in all positions. It does matter, but it's not the be-all determination. If it was, the "best" in all positions would be the modern era, but that's not the case in most/or any position. So while 4.3 speeds in some positions are more common, they aren't "better" athletes.

And the historic fastest NFL players included many players, including Bob Hayes, from decades ago.

None of the top running backs are from the modern era. All are prior to 2000.

Eric Dickerson. Held the all-time rushing leader, and IIRC is #3 on the list. 6'3" and 220 lbs. 40 yard dash 4.3 sec. IIRC
Emmitt Smith. All time rushing leader . Listed as 5'10, and 216lbs.
Walter Payton - 2nd All time rushing leader and one of the top 5 backs of all time. 5'10" and 200 lbs
Barry Sanders - maybe the best back of all time. 5'8" and 200. 40 yards at 4.37 sec.
Tony Dorsett - 5'11", 192. 4.3 sec 40 yard dash. Among the best backs ever. Longest rushing play from scrimmage I believe, at 99 yards TD.
Bo Jackson, 6'1" 227lbs. 4.13 40 yard dash.

Any of the above backs would continue to be the best in today's league. Regardless of their size.

Marshan Lynch - above average back who was traded. 5'11" and 215. 40 yard speed 4.45 sec. The fact is no back today could compare to the short list above, all pre-2000. Lynch wasn't even impressive by 1990s standards. Jackson and Dickerson and Dorsett were bigger and faster. Payton and Smith were a lot tougher. And Payton and Sanders had quicker/better feet/agility.

If you think Lynch had good runs, go watch Payton run over 4 men and carry 6 more to the end zone. Or Dorsett blaze 99 yards. Or Bo Jackson blaze down the sidelines. Or Sanders dance through defenders.

The size of players has not significantly changed in a few decades at most positions other than QB. The speeds have improved a little but not drastically. And there were plenty of blazers in those eras. A fraction of a second is not drastic enough to make a difference.

Average lineman in the 1980s was 6'4" and 272 lbs. In the 1990s it was 6'4" and 300. Now it's 6'4" and 310. I'm unconvinced that a 3-10% difference in weight is compelling in a lineman.

Being a big guy is one thing, but being a big guy and being athletic is a completely different scenario. If you put Walter Payton his prime on an NFL roster today, he would not put up the numbers he did. The game has changed and gone away from run heavy offenses to know more spread the defense out and throw it 30+ times a game.

Yup I remember my Mom paying $8 to park right across from the Kingdome. Now a parking spot that close is $50+

And Joe Diamond doesn't own the lots any more. It's all some fucking arab looking motherfuckers.

Yup. I went to a game last year (happened at a M's game also) and went to pay the guy and he said they don't take cash, only cards then proceeded to take his Iphone out with a scanner on top. Um no mazafaka, cash only for you.

I ended up parking down behind Showgirls. :)

Life was so much better when The Mob ran everything.

LC, I love you man, but have to disagree with you on this topic.

You have cherry picked the best from nearly two generations. The reality is the NFL, any pro sport for that matter, has become a 12 month job whereas before it was a 6-8 month job. They start training year around as high schoolers many times in facilities that coaches only dreamed about a generation ago. These athletes get faster, stronger, bigger every year. That is the trend and it hasn't changed in 20 years. Pro athletes are better because that is all they do for their entire lives. There is no offseason.

Perhaps most superstars could still perform will today. But take the averages of all linemen, their size, weight, and speed, and I would bet an Andrew Jackson they are all improved from the previous generation. The DB's are both faster and bigger.

The game continues to change and improve. Year around competition is the reason, as well as better nutritionists, doctors, personal trainers, etc.

Most that make the news today are ungrateful bastards, but that is another discussion.