Another Episode of: "Those Darned Illegals!"

[Alpine]

It is racist to imply that illegals are all the same race or only a select set of races.

According to the crime stats, illegal aliens make up 3% of the population but account for 7-9% of sexual assaults.

That's at least 2-3 times higher than it should be, ergo, they are more likely to commit these assaults.

[PMB]

It is racist to imply that illegals are all the same race or only a select set of races.

According to the crime stats, illegal aliens make up 3% of the population but account for 7-9% of sexual assaults.

That's at least 2-3 times higher than it should be, ergo, they are more likely to commit these assaults.

This is the data that I couldn't find. Can you give a source please?

[Jonathan Brown]

Most likely Breitbart

[PMB]

Singling out a hideous act that was committed by a minority or illegal is a basic ultra right wing tactic.

I do not think that it is limited to Ultra Right, Right, MOTR, Left, or Ultra Left. People spin their opinions as hard as they can believing that it is so important that their view prevail.

This is the same bullshit thinking that our National Socialist sympathizer president uses.

This is meant as an incitement. President Trump is not a Nazi sympathizer that I can see.
He is not a smooth and polished politician, and he is wading in a swamp.

This thread is not about our POTUS though.
I am fortunate in that I get to have the last word about POTUS in this thread that won't be deleted as soon as PMB sees it.

[Jonathan Brown]

Ignoring the source of this type of thinking will not make it go away. It's multiplying in this country at an alarming rate, and our leaders are doing little to stop it.

[TINCANBANDIT]

Ignoring the source of this type of thinking will not make it go away. It's multiplying in this country at an alarming rate, and our leaders are doing little to stop it.

Hmmm Canada has recently amassed troops on the border to prevent illegals in the US from entering Canada...are they racist now?

Mexico has a wall on their southern border, I guess that they are racists too!

This has ZERO to do with race, and pulling the race card only shows that you have no argument

[jukk0u]

In this episode of Those Darned Illegals, there are two crimes (more if you total the number of counts of each offense)

One is illegal entry into the U.S. Go ahead, try to justify that illegality......

Second is the crime of assault/sexual assault. No justification of that one either.

So what's your point, JB? OH, I see. You have no legitimate points.

One other thing: If the first issue, that of illegal entry, was dealt with effectively, the chances (yes, just the probablilty cuz sneaky alien guy could waltz right back over the border)... the chances of the sexual assault would be dramatically reduced.

As far as racism goes: the abuses I have seen of immigration, and social services, the contempt for the U.S. by these "immigrants" and the corruption they have imported with themselves, has not been limited to Mexicans (a NATIONALITY) nor to hispanics (as I understand it, a race).

[Sinus211]

There's also a propensity for continued criminal behavior among people willing to break the law. Criminal act #1 is illegally entering the country. It shows a willingness to disobey or ignore rules. What other rules will these people disobey or ignore once they enter the country?

I have known many immigrants, both legal and illegal, through my work in the construction industry. Good people and not so good. Honestly, it doesn't matter to me whether they're good people or not. If they're here illegally they need to leave and that goes for both the best of them and the worst of them.

JB I haven't seen any racism in this thread. Just people upset about the influx of illegal immigration that the left is condoning. And further enraged when an illegal immigrant commits such an atrocity. We really don't need to spin this into another pro/ anti Trump thread.

[thefuryoffire]

There's also a propensity for continued criminal behavior among people willing to break the law. Criminal act #1 is illegally entering the country. It shows a willingness to disobey or ignore rules. What other rules will these people disobey or ignore once they enter the country?

89% of Americans drive over the speed limit. http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases ... 63103.html

That's breaking the law.

Ever used a cell phone in a car?

Breaking the law.

Criminal act #1 does not have any real connection to any other criminal act.

Have you ever let a friend shoot your gun in the woods without doing a 594 transfer? Are you going to go on a shooting rampage? I mean, you've already shown you're willing to break the law by speeding... (I'm assuming you speed as it's a convenient law that many, many people break on a regular basis. This is not a personal attack, merely trying to show that just because A does not prove B)

[PMB]

In this episode of Those Darned Illegals, there are two crimes (more if you total the number of counts of each offense)

One is illegal entry into the U.S. Go ahead, try to justify that illegality......

I didn't see anyone try to justify illegal immigration. ETA: IN THIS THREAD

Second is the crime of assault/sexual assault. No justification of that one either.

No one tried that either. Assault is vague though. This article was about the sexual version of assault that incites a murderous rage in most healthy men that I know.

So what's your point, JB? OH, I see. You have no legitimate points.

You may disagree with his point and mine, but they are legitimate. I'll try to explain.
The point has been made that the disparity of the crimes is monumental in size... The importance that each of us place on those crimes is different.
That is where opinion seems to clash with fact. It is my opinion that illegal immigration is a bogeyman. I believe that the number of illegal immigrants is high, and according to the source that Mr Alpine shared, they seem to account for a higher ratio (not percentage) of crimes than the legal citizens.
I humbly ask for correction in those areas where I am thinking factually wrong.

The point that has been made is that there are FAR more US citizen convicted child rapists than illegal immigrant child rapists, so why would we KEY on the immigration status? Again, it seems to be a scapegoat, a bogeyman.
These are my opinions.

[Jonathan Brown]

Illegal immigration is a problem. So is blaming them is the easy and lazy way. CRIME is a problem. Period.

[Guns4Liberty]

Illegal immigration is a problem. So is blaming them is the easy and lazy way. CRIME is a problem. Period.

I'm not sure I understand the bolded part of your statement. Should we not be blaming the criminals for the crimes they commit?

[Jonathan Brown]

Yeah, that's it. They deserve no blame if they commit crimes.

[Guns4Liberty]

I was asking for clarification, not sarcasm. But I'm beginning to think that's all I can expect from you.

[PMB]

There's also a propensity for continued criminal behavior among people willing to break the law. Criminal act #1 is illegally entering the country. It shows a willingness to disobey or ignore rules. What other rules will these people disobey or ignore once they enter the country?

I struggle with this one myself.
The point was made about breaking the speed limit... I am apparently in the minority in that I believe that bad laws should be ignored, or even actively broken. T. Jefferson and all that. Consequences exist.

The fact that someone is living in a country that they have entered illegally and are in constant knowledge that they are one traffic stop (whether true or not) from being arrested, incarcerated, forcibly deported... Seems like it could have an exaggerated effect on their respect for other laws too. I don't know, but I have tried to think about it and think it is probably true to a certain extent with enough to have an effect on criminality.
What might make this effect even worse is if the illegal alien lives in a "sanctuary zone" in which they or someone they know closely has already been arrested, and the politicians/LE/courts have decided to ignore the law.

Good people and not so good. Honestly, it doesn't matter to me whether they're good people or not. If they're here illegally they need to leave and that goes for both the best of them and the worst of them.

That seems reasonable to me. Let the chips fall where they may, no matter the effect that it may or may not have on the economy. If the economy is being propped up by illegal labor, then something needs to change in our labor market or in immigration law.
A far larger problem (IMHO) is the welfare state that we have built in the interest and desire to have a kinder and more compassionate society. Take away the forced redistribution of wealth and things would be different.
Uglier? Maybe. Tougher? For many, surely.
I think that the USA is too free to offer a helping hand. Helping hand is nice- but that should be done sparingly and only under the most severe of cases, and I still lean towards it being a LOAN.

I blame our politicians and our "do-gooder" fellow citizens for building this problem, not the majority of illegal immigrants. Again, this is just my opinion.