First they came for the statues...

[jackass]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-1 ... me-statues

After obliterating the 1000+ statues and monuments around the country, what will they go for next?

The money? Lots of white guys who were slave owners. What will they replace the money with in quick order, digital currency?

What about Lincoln? He wrote some derogatory statements regarding persons of African ancestry.

What statues and monuments will go in the old statues place? Society always has statues and monuments.

Finally, why can't government get to important business of the day? Fixing health care, building roads, eliminating waste.

[AR15L]

etc...

[dreadi]

https://catalog.usmint.gov/frederick-douglass-national-historic-site-2017-rolls-and-bags-MASTER_FREDERICKDOUGLASS.html?cgid=null&q=frederick%2520douglass&navid=search#q=frederick%2520douglass&start=1



https://catalog.usmint.gov/american-liberty-225th-anniversary-gold-coin-17XA.html



https://www.nps.gov/mlkm/learn/building-the-memorial.htm

[jukk0u]

https://catalog.usmint.gov/frederick-douglass-national-historic-site-2017-rolls-and-bags-MASTER_FREDERICKDOUGLASS.html?cgid=null&q=frederick%2520douglass&navid=search#q=frederick%2520douglass&start=1



https://catalog.usmint.gov/american-liberty-225th-anniversary-gold-coin-17XA.html



https://www.nps.gov/mlkm/learn/building-the-memorial.htm

Those are fine tributes and I wouldn't blink at carrying them as coin of the realm. But not if it results in exclusion of what tributes are in place.



I bet this place is next on the list to axe. Maybe they can get some Taliban artillery for the project.

[Jonathan Brown]

That Wall of Traitors can be blown to shit. Wouldn't bother me one single bit.

[cmica]

jukk already is bye bye stone mt. thought i posted this somewhere??


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... moved.html\


you guess it another democrap

http://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/273935404-story

[RENCORP]

That Wall of Traitors can be blown to shit. Wouldn't bother me one single bit.

Only difference between them vs The North and Washington vs the British is - they lost their fight for liberty.

You can respect them for the courage of their convictions - you would be a better man for doing so even if you disagree with their world view, a few hundred years later.

[Jonathan Brown]

Nah. They were traitors.

"Many Americans were and are torn in their view of General Robert E. Lee (1807-1870), the famed Confederate Army commander. Lee has been applauded for his gentlemanly demeanor and shrewd military expertise; he stands in the American military pantheon alongside Washington, Jackson, Grant, MacArthur, Eisenhower, Patton, and Powell. Yet there is an obvious difference between all these men and Robert E. Lee, for Lee not only fought for the American flag, he also fought against it. Robert E. Lee was, by traditional definitions of the term, a traitor."

[WaJim]

A couple months ago you could ask these supposed Leaders and Anti Confederacy Folks who Lee and Jackson were and they wouldn't have a frikken clue.

Or....

They'd have said Sheila and Jesse

This whole tear it down thing is #fukinstupid.




I've often wondered why Jefferson Davis wasn't counted in the list of past presidents...IMO he should have.

[Olympia173]

I've often wondered why Jefferson Davis wasn't counted in the list of past presidents...IMO he should have.

Perhaps it's got something to do with the fact that he was never the President of the United States, and was in fact the head of a confederacy considered to be in open rebellion against the U.S.

[MadPick]

I've often wondered why Jefferson Davis wasn't counted in the list of past presidents...IMO he should have.

Perhaps it's got something to do with the fact that he was never the President of the United States, and was in fact the head of a confederacy considered to be in open rebellion against the U.S.

Yeah, I think that one is pretty clear . . . .

[WaJim]

I've often wondered why Jefferson Davis wasn't counted in the list of past presidents...IMO he should have.

Perhaps it's got something to do with the fact that he was never the President of the United States, and was in fact the head of a confederacy considered to be in open rebellion against the U.S.

Yeah, I think that one is pretty clear . . . .

Head Of?

Well, he was he President of the Confederate States..Capitol was in Virginia....

Is Virginia not a US State.?

I don't get the newfound hate or embarrassment of our collective past that seems to be further dividing this country.

[Olympia173]

Only difference between them vs The North and Washington vs the British is - they lost their fight for liberty.

Yeah, sure, that AND they were attempting to build a country based not on the idea that all men are created equal (Washington/Jefferson) but rather that blacks were not equal, and in fact, their rightful place was subjugated to white men.
And before you go all states-rightsy and "not about slavery" on me, lets take a moment to reflect on the immortal words of Alexander Stephens:

"Our new government is founded upon exactly [this] idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery -- subordination to the superior race -- is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."

He would know! He was, after all, the vice president of the Confederacy.

You can respect them for the courage of their convictions - you would be a better man for doing so even if you disagree with their world view, a few hundred years later.

Lots of really dangerous people have had "courage of their convictions." That doesn't mean they merit our respect.

For what its worth, I think removing confederate monuments is absurd, as I believe they represent a part of our history very much worth remembering.

[WaJim]

For what its worth, I think removing confederate monuments is absurd, as I believe they represent a part of our history very much worth remembering.

I was worried about you until you posted this.....

[foothills]

Nah. They were traitors.

"Many Americans were and are torn in their view of General Robert E. Lee (1807-1870), the famed Confederate Army commander. Lee has been applauded for his gentlemanly demeanor and shrewd military expertise; he stands in the American military pantheon alongside Washington, Jackson, Grant, MacArthur, Eisenhower, Patton, and Powell. Yet there is an obvious difference between all these men and Robert E. Lee, for Lee not only fought for the American flag, he also fought against it. Robert E. Lee was, by traditional definitions of the term, a traitor."

Robert E. Lee was a brilliant military professional...but he chose his individual state, over his entire country as a whole.

Courage of conviction, no doubt. It was his choice to make...But a poor choice he made.

Traitor...is right on the money