POTUS Trump pardons....

[Alpine]

I love justice. The Odimwit idiots can eat my a$$. Morons.

How is giving a single person the power to overrule the courts justice? We live in a country of laws, those laws were broken. He was found guilty and we celebrate that finding being thrown out by a single person. This makes no sense.

Part of those laws are a constitution that specifically allows for Presidential pardons. It's obvious the courts were biased in this case as they were ignoring that the feds were ignoring violent l, illegal aliens and letting them run amok killing citizens.

The pardon power is another part of law, it serves as a check on judges.

[PMB]

I have repeatedly trumpeted (ooo, maybe should start capitalizing that! Trump-eted! hah) that it is the citizens right and responsibility to break unjust laws, and been slapped upside the head.
You may look for differences, but I will stubbornly stick with that position. T. Jefferson and all them.

So I agree with Matt in principle- but with different outcomes. I don't mind him being pardoned, but so should the rest of us also fight unjust laws.

[TechnoWeenie]

I have repeatedly trumpeted (ooo, maybe should start capitalizing that! Trump-eted! hah) that it is the citizens right and responsibility to break unjust laws, and been slapped upside the head.
You may look for differences, but I will stubbornly stick with that position. T. Jefferson and all them.

So I agree with Matt in principle- but with different outcomes. I don't mind him being pardoned, but so should the rest of us also fight unjust laws.

Is there a jury in contempt cases? I thought it was just a declaration by a judge.. In which case jury nullification can't work....

[cmica]

[Pablo]

2nd best thing Trump has done.

[PMB]

I have repeatedly trumpeted (ooo, maybe should start capitalizing that! Trump-eted! hah) that it is the citizens right and responsibility to break unjust laws, and been slapped upside the head.
You may look for differences, but I will stubbornly stick with that position. T. Jefferson and all them.

So I agree with Matt in principle- but with different outcomes. I don't mind him being pardoned, but so should the rest of us also fight unjust laws.

Is there a jury in contempt cases? I thought it was just a declaration by a judge.. In which case jury nullification can't work....

Excellent point, thank you TW.

[Alpine]

Hilarious to watch the nutters on MS-LSD lose their shit over this.

http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/donal ... 2825923847

Watch the stuttering the open jaws. Absolutely priceless.

See them invoke Nixon, Ford, racism, "lawlessness" while totally giving Obama a pass for his illegal executive orders even after SCOTUS slapped him down.

[PMB]

Confirmation Bias at its finest.

A pardon is final - so "Suck it up, Buttercup."

[Guntrader]

The cretins on DU are already hoppin'

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029517033
"Great story on NPR this morning. Justice Dept. rules require a five-year waiting period before a pardon. And, as has been mentioned before, it requires an admission of guilt. Joe hasn't admitted guilt, and in fact said he would appeal. If he does accept the pardon it is a de facto admission of guilt, which opens him up to myriad civil suits which he'd likely lose because he's technically already admitted guilt.





In short, Trump really didn't do Joe any favors. But, at 85, it is likely Sheriff Joe will be deported from this Earth long before he sees any real punishment.

[PMB]

Hmm. That is very interesting.
By an admission of guilt, do they mean that he has to be apologetic about it?
He has admitted to doing what he is accused of, and saying that he believes it was the correct thing to do. Sounds good enough to me.

[PMB]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/31/us/s ... izona.html

But Mr. Arpaio insisted, publicly and repeatedly, that his office’s practices were legal and would not change, and advocates said the detentions continued.

On Monday, Judge Bolton ruled that Mr. Arpaio had willfully violated the 2011 court order. “Not only did Defendant abdicate responsibility, he announced to the world and to his subordinates that he was going to continue business as usual no matter who said otherwise,” she wrote.

[Benja455]

Uh-huh....

Failed to investigate *hundreds* of sex crimes including rapes of teenage girls (and even one with special needs):
- http://www.azfamily.com/story/19662091/ ... estigation
- http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/10/us/sh ... ml?mcubz=0
- http://archive.azcentral.com/news/artic ... eport.html
- http://archive.boston.com/news/nation/a ... ?page=full

Falsely increased his case clearance rate:
- http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2009/05/ ... -a-sham-2/

Illegally entrapped a man as a publicity stunt:
- http://tucsoncitizen.com/morgue2/2003/0 ... ff-arpaio/

Found responsible for the death of a mental ill veteran:
- http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/ ... ry-veteran

Cost taxpayers over $44 million to legally defend his practices:
- http://archive.azcentral.com/news/polit ... llied.html

And all of this ignores the exhaustive list of evidence that he not only brutalized convicted criminals - but also (innocent until proven guilty!) people simply awaiting trial (including the mentally ill):
- http://archive.azcentral.com/arizonarep ... e-145.html
- https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... 145ac5d655
- https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... king-cruel
- https://news.vice.com/article/joe-arpai ... lu-lawsuit

...such a great public servant.

[Mediumrarechicken]

Uh-huh....

Failed to investigate *hundreds* of sex crimes including rapes of teenage girls (and even one with special needs):
- http://www.azfamily.com/story/19662091/ ... estigation
- http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/10/us/sh ... ml?mcubz=0
- http://archive.azcentral.com/news/artic ... eport.html
- http://archive.boston.com/news/nation/a ... ?page=full

Falsely increased his case clearance rate:
- http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2009/05/ ... -a-sham-2/

Illegally entrapped a man as a publicity stunt:
- http://tucsoncitizen.com/morgue2/2003/0 ... ff-arpaio/

Found responsible for the death of a mental ill veteran:
- http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/ ... ry-veteran

Cost taxpayers over $44 million to legally defend his practices:
- http://archive.azcentral.com/news/polit ... llied.html

And all of this ignores the exhaustive list of evidence that he not only brutalized convicted criminals - but also (innocent until proven guilty!) people simply awaiting trial (including the mentally ill):
- http://archive.azcentral.com/arizonarep ... e-145.html
- https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... 145ac5d655
- https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... king-cruel
- https://news.vice.com/article/joe-arpai ... lu-lawsuit

...such a great public servant.

I'm not a fan of Joe, but the "entrapment" thing happens all the time. Agencies hook people up with fake bombs and when they go to detonate them they arrest them. It shows proof that they would have indeed blown up the bomb and gets rid of the " I really wasn't going to do it" aspect. And right from the link about the mentally ill veteran it says autopsy blames his sheriff's not him. Do you hold the sheriff accountable for every single action by every deputy?

[PMB]

Uh-huh....

Failed to investigate *hundreds* of sex crimes including rapes of teenage girls (and even one with special needs):
- http://www.azfamily.com/story/19662091/ ... estigation
- http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/10/us/sh ... ml?mcubz=0
- http://archive.azcentral.com/news/artic ... eport.html
- http://archive.boston.com/news/nation/a ... ?page=full

Falsely increased his case clearance rate:
- http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2009/05/ ... -a-sham-2/

Illegally entrapped a man as a publicity stunt:
- http://tucsoncitizen.com/morgue2/2003/0 ... ff-arpaio/

Found responsible for the death of a mental ill veteran:
- http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/ ... ry-veteran

Cost taxpayers over $44 million to legally defend his practices:
- http://archive.azcentral.com/news/polit ... llied.html

And all of this ignores the exhaustive list of evidence that he not only brutalized convicted criminals - but also (innocent until proven guilty!) people simply awaiting trial (including the mentally ill):
- http://archive.azcentral.com/arizonarep ... e-145.html
- https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... 145ac5d655
- https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... king-cruel
- https://news.vice.com/article/joe-arpai ... lu-lawsuit

...such a great public servant.

I'm not a fan of Joe, but the "entrapment" thing happens all the time. Agencies hook people up with fake bombs and when they go to detonate them they arrest them. It shows proof that they would have indeed blown up the bomb and gets rid of the " I really wasn't going to do it" aspect. And right from the link about the mentally ill veteran it says autopsy blames his sheriff's not him. Do you hold the sheriff accountable for every single action by every deputy?

It is a sobering list... I had not been familiar with some of those, and I still have more to read. Thanks for the list Ben.
I agree with MRC- even though he was the captain of that ship, he does not own all culpability for his underlings actions. But I don't like the idea of a captain being on the first or best life raft either.

I think that what made Joe A. appealing to a lot of people was his general Tough on Crime actions, when so much of the rest of the country drifted into a back-of-hand slapping exercise, revolving door for murderers and rapists and thieves etc... (Who knows how much was real and how much was hysterical bubble.)

[bigzdawg]

The backdrop has been completely whitewashed into thin air. The Left doesn't like the narrative.

The reason Sheriff Joe took the measures he did was because of the abysmal failure for decades by the Federal Government to protect the Arizona southern border from the huge number of illegals running through yards of homeowners, causing all kinds of crimes. The Left tacitly always supported it. Sheriff Joe was the only law and order left in Arizona that cared about citizens first and tried to control illegal alien inflow. Obama controlled the federal level and ordered the Border Patrol to stand down. The abuses continued. The Left attacked him at every move.

In the last administration, any vestige of protecting the American citizen from the illegal vanished. Ask Kate Steinle, or maybe her father. Kate is unavailable for comment.

Obama's Dept of Justice openly sued to not allow any state-level protections of citizens on the border while ordering the Border Patrol to stand down.

Citizens did everything they could, even sued the FedGov to allow them to protect themselves if the FedGov was continuing their huge failure. The courts said the citizens could not protect themselves about border protection and illegals, they had to change the FedGov if they weren't satisfied through voting in someone else, as laid out in the Constitution.


The trial itself was a political sham. Reportedly, all of the witnesses testified for Sheriff Joe. This was the Obama DoJ going after him.

Sheriff Joe stood up to help these people when nobody else would. That is why he is a hero.

Therefore, Trump.