Does an old wall hanger need ffl transfer?

[scorpion rider]

Does an over 100 year old shotgun that may or may not fire and I am going to make into a wall hanger need an ffl transfer. I don't even want to try and fire it. Who knows if it would explode in my hands.

I've never seen this come up before and I can't find anything on line.

[dreadi]

Is it a C&R?
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/curios-relics

If it is, https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/are-tra ... ound-check

[PMB]

Is it a C&R?
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/curios-relics

If it is, https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/are-tra ... ound-check

That would only apply if the recipient is a C&R license holder, I believe. WA State has "safer" ideas.

[usrifle]

If it was made prior to Jan 1st 1899, you need nothing.
After? It's WA, 594 applies.

[MadPick]

If it was made prior to Jan 1st 1899, you need nothing.
After? It's WA, 594 applies.

Not quite, for WA law. Can't search at the moment, but we've had threads in this before. WA's definition of "antique" is a little different than the fed definition.

[Ops]

everyone just blurts stuff out without researching or looking it up.

Amateur hour.


takes less than 20 seconds to research stuff by typing it in google. Maybe people need to stop using Bing.

"(1) "Antique firearm" means a firearm or replica of a firearm not designed or redesigned for using rim fire or conventional center fire ignition with fixed ammunition and manufactured in or before 1898, including any matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system and also any firearm using fixed ammunition manufactured in or before 1898, for which ammunition is no longer manufactured in the United States and is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade."

[PMB]

everyone just blurts stuff out without researching or looking it up.

Amateur hour.


takes less than 20 seconds to research stuff by typing it in google. Maybe people need to stop using Bing.

"(1) "Antique firearm" means a firearm or replica of a firearm not designed or redesigned for using rim fire or conventional center fire ignition with fixed ammunition and manufactured in or before 1898, including any matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system and also any firearm using fixed ammunition manufactured in or before 1898, for which ammunition is no longer manufactured in the United States and is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade."

I introduce the man most protected for his repeated (continuous) CoC #8 Violations!

[scorpion rider]

I found all the same stuff posted. It isn't before 1900 so I should tell the guy we need to ffl. Crazy. It's a $50 gun that will never be shot, but the law is the law. What a joke.

[MadPick]

everyone just blurts stuff out without researching or looking it up.

Amateur hour.


takes less than 20 seconds to research stuff by typing it in google. Maybe people need to stop using Bing.

"(1) "Antique firearm" means a firearm or replica of a firearm not designed or redesigned for using rim fire or conventional center fire ignition with fixed ammunition and manufactured in or before 1898, including any matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system and also any firearm using fixed ammunition manufactured in or before 1898, for which ammunition is no longer manufactured in the United States and is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade."

Right. And it's also nice to give a link or some context, so it's not just a random quote from the internet.

The quote from Ops is part of RCW 9.41.010:
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/Rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.010

So yes, for Washington state purposes it needs to be made before 1899 *and* it needs to use out-of-production ammo.

[scorpion rider]

Thanks for the input everybody.

[leadcounsel]

Yes it needs an FFL or a C&R. So get your C&R for $10/year. It will take a few months but it's a better option.

[TechnoWeenie]

IIRC, doesn't 594 say functioning firearms? remove firing pin = non functioning.

[MadPick]

IIRC, doesn't 594 say functioning firearms? remove firing pin = non functioning.

Yup, another option. Go with the WA definition of "firearm," and if it doesn't fire a projectile then it's not a firearm.

[leadcounsel]

IIRC, doesn't 594 say functioning firearms? remove firing pin = non functioning.

Yup, another option. Go with the WA definition of "firearm," and if it doesn't fire a projectile then it's not a firearm.

If you want to be fully compliant with the law then I do not believe you can circumvent it by making an easy alteration to make a gun momentarily non-functioning.

Let's take a simple example. A stripped AR15 lower is not functioning as anything other than a paperweight but within say an hour of assembly it can be a functioning firearm. See my point?

[DGM33]

Maybe if you plug the barrel with something permanent? A little creative welding?