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Woman pulls gun in walmart over fight for notebook
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Site Supporter   Location: Piece/Clallam Joined: Wed Oct 17, 2012 Posts: 10661 
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http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/ ... _over.html
To bad the police don't know who ended up with the notebook. _________________  Yaki's - last journey Promote a Growth Mindset. Don't let a fixed mindset not allow change for the better. pow·er trip - noun - a self-aggrandizing quest for ever-increasing control over others. |
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Site Supporter  Location: Idaho, Land of the Free Joined: Wed May 1, 2013 Posts: 22314 Real Name: Vick Lagina
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Correction to that video: The woman WAS a valid pistol license holder.
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| Sun Sep 03, 2017 1:54 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: Can't say Joined: Sun Sep 7, 2014 Posts: 8131
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I don't have an opinion on who was more wrong in the situation. But if someone pulls a gun, and I exit the area.
I love how these morons just stand around like it's no big deal. _________________ I defend the 2A. US Army Combat Veteran and Paratrooper: OIF Veteran. BSM and MSM recipient. NRA Lifetime. Entertainment purposes only. I'm a lawyer, but have not offered you legal advice. |
| Sun Sep 03, 2017 2:25 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: Faxon, OK Joined: Sat Mar 19, 2011 Posts: 18063 Real Name: Chuck
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Ops wrote: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/09/02/woman_pulls_out_gun_in_michigan_walmart_during_back_to_school_fight_over.html To bad the police don't know who ended up with the notebook. "In case you're wondering, the one who pulled out the gun ended up winning out in the notebook-off. The mother-daughter pair ended up walking away with the precious back-to-school item. “I don't know how they ended up with it, but in the middle of the confrontation, they ended up with it and they purchased it,” _________________ "The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." Thomas Jefferson "Evil often triumphs, but never conquers." Joseph Roux |
| Sun Sep 03, 2017 2:40 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: Nisqually Valley Joined: Wed Oct 5, 2016 Posts: 4982
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I am pretty sure that if the mother had not have pulled the gun out and ended it, then there would have been about a dozen big ol ghetto bitches beating up the daughter.
Is she legally able to defend her daughters safety? When does a person decide that a notebook tug of war doesnt turn into a trampling? |
| Sun Sep 03, 2017 2:45 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: Tulsa, Ok Joined: Mon Nov 25, 2013 Posts: 2336 Real Name: Jeremy
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Old Growth wrote: I am pretty sure that if the mother had not have pulled the gun out and ended it, then there would have been about a dozen big ol ghetto bitches beating up the daughter. Is she legally able to defend her daughters safety? When does a person decide that a notebook tug of war doesnt turn into a trampling? This is sound reasoning. The daughter was down on knee when the gun came out. If one of my daughters had dropped to a knee with larger individuals crowding around....I might not draw my gun, but violence would would be immediately applied to that situation. |
| Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:11 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: Olympia Joined: Wed Oct 1, 2014 Posts: 958 Real Name: Thomas
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Old Growth wrote: I am pretty sure that if the mother had not have pulled the gun out and ended it, then there would have been about a dozen big ol ghetto bitches beating up the daughter. Is she legally able to defend her daughters safety? When does a person decide that a notebook tug of war doesnt turn into a trampling? Maybe but you can't just pull out a gun based upon what you think might happen. There has to be an imminent threat, not a possible one. And it's over a fucking notebook. To be blunt, if someone wants a damned notebook that bad they can have it. _________________ 'The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing.' Adolf Hitler |
| Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:34 pm |
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Site Moderator   Location: Marysville Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2012 Posts: 13844 Real Name: Mike
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As carriers of firearms we all need to know the law, which apparently is not the case here. This is the WA RCW on justifiable use of deadly force for a person other than police officer. Deadly force is justifiable, according to WA state law, to prevent the commission of a felony or great personal injury to yourself, your family, or any other person in your presence or company. This situation, assuming that we're looking at felony assault or the possibility of great personal injury to the woman's daughter, clearly passes the sniff test.
This is important stuff for us to know folks. Quote: 9A.16.050. HOMICIDE-BY OTHER PERSON - WHEN JUSTIFIABLE. Homicide is also justifiable when committed either:(1) In the lawful defense of the slayer, or his or her husband, wife, parent, child, brother, or sister, or of any other person in his presence or company, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design on the part of the person slain to commit a felony or to do some great personal injury to the slayer or to any such person, and there is imminent danger of such design being accomplished; or(2) In the actual resistance of an attempt to commit a felony upon the slayer, in his presence, or upon or in a dwelling, or other place of abode, in which he is _________________ Licensed/Bonded/Insured Hardwood Floor Installer/Finisher http://www.hardwoodfloorsnw.com/ |
| Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:48 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: Olympia Joined: Wed Oct 1, 2014 Posts: 958 Real Name: Thomas
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Maybe but there is also a responsibility to not escalate a situation to a point where deadly force is necessary. This is a case of two women arguing over a notebook and allowing it to escalate to the point where a gun was pulled. I agree that the woman has the right to defend herself but to allow the situation to deteriorate to the point where someone is put into bodily risk over a notebook means that both parties are at fault. IMHO someone that carries a firearm has the responsibility to not get sucked into a situation that requires using that firearm.
It was a notebook. If the woman came up and grabbed it out of her cart while at the same time threatening her and her daughter then I could see justification. But if two people grab the same thing and it ends up resulting in violence then both parties are guilty. _________________ 'The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing.' Adolf Hitler |
| Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:59 pm |
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Site Moderator Location: Marysville Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2012 Posts: 13844 Real Name: Mike
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I'm not trying to say they aren't idiots. No no no, these people have problems. But for the sake of argument the situation did de- escalate quickly when that pistol came out.
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| Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:49 am |
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Site Supporter Location: Piece/Clallam Joined: Wed Oct 17, 2012 Posts: 10661
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first off someone needed to start some Marvin Gaye
and then spill the baby oil. Love not Guns _________________ Yaki's - last journey Promote a Growth Mindset. Don't let a fixed mindset not allow change for the better. pow·er trip - noun - a self-aggrandizing quest for ever-increasing control over others. |
| Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:28 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: Burien Joined: Sun Sep 22, 2013 Posts: 6175
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If you can walk away with no harm, it's not a threat.
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Site Supporter  Location: The banana belt of MT Joined: Wed Dec 30, 2015 Posts: 8704 Real Name: Brian
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sinus and Ops, funny stuff! Your posts were a funny response! LOL!
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| Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:37 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: East of Japan, not by much. Joined: Fri Jun 3, 2011 Posts: 13009
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Insensitive bastards.
No one even bothered asking the important question. How did the notebook feel about being kidnapped at gunpoint ? _________________ Give a man a fish, and he will eat for a day. Give a man a fishing pole, and he will drink too much beer, get tangled in fish line, hook himself in the nose casting, fall overboard, and either drown, or, go home hungry and wet. Give a man a case of dynamite, and he will feed the whole town for a year! BE ON NOTICE: PRIVACY NOTICE: Warning - any person and/or institution and/or Agent and/or Agency of any governmental structure including but not limited to the United States Federal Government also using or monitoring/using this website or any of its associated websites, you do NOT have my permission to utilize any of my profile information nor any of the content contained herein including, but not limited to my photos, and/or the comments made about my photos or any other "picture" art posted on my profile. You are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing, disseminating, or taking any other action against me with regard to this profile and the contents herein. The foregoing prohibitions also apply to your employee, agent, student or any personnel under your direction or control. The contents of this profile are PRIVATE and legally privileged and confidential information, and the violation of my personal privacy is punishable by law. UCC 1-103 1-308 ALL RIGHTS RESERVED WITHOUT PREJUDICE |
| Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:43 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: Marysville, WA Joined: Fri Jul 22, 2011 Posts: 11570 Real Name: Mike
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Hey, it's Michigan, home of Detroit. Who gives a shit?
I'm never surprised at what happens in Walmarts around the country. They are sort of like those old hill country home remedies you put on a boil. They both draw the "pus" out. One from the boil, the other from society. I get out and about quite a bit and as I do I never see the people I see only at a Walmart. Weird. _________________ "I've learned from the Dog that an afternoon nap is a good thing" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother" - William Shakespeare |
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