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Open carry for intimidation during an argument .. what would
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Site Supporter   Location: Seattle Joined: Tue Feb 11, 2014 Posts: 598 
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So short version of the story:
Out camping with family and friends over the holiday weekend, camp ground is packed. Group next to us tried to stake our as much space as possible before everything filled up. A few words were exchanged Friday when we first set up camp, but it was minimal. This camp ground doesn't have defined space and in the 7 years we have gone we have never had a negative interaction. Saturday afternoon one vehicle who had been gone all day returns and is upset that we are playing a game in the space they left 12 hours prior and instead of parking 10 feet back from their original spot they declared "move or we will back over you". While I'm having a conversation with the buddy directing the driver where to back up the driver hops out of the cab with a pistol on his hip that he clearly pulled from the glove box before getting out in an attempt to posture up. One of my friends told him to knock it off and 'put that shit away'. He did and I was eventually convinced to let these guys force us to move. What would you have done in the same situation? Sent from my SCH-I605 using Tapatalk |
| Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:31 pm |
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 Site Supporter  Location: Faxon, OK Joined: Sat Mar 19, 2011 Posts: 18063 Real Name: Chuck
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The explanation is a little hard to understand, so trying to armchair it is challenging. Take a break, think about it, and try to re-explain so we can have a clearer outside view of the situation to give a better answer.
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| Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:46 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: Seattle Joined: Tue Feb 11, 2014 Posts: 598
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Confrontation between two groups of campers.
My group is group A the other group is group B. Group A&B squabble Friday night over space in an unregulated campground. Saturday Group B takes one vehicle and leaves for the entire day. Group B returns and finds someone using the space. Instead of parking else where Group B declares 'move or we'll back over you' driver of truck stuffs his holstered pistol in his pants before exiting vehicle. Group A tells his to put it away. He does. Group A eventually moves and Group B back their truck up 10 more feet. Is that easier to follow? Sent from my SCH-I605 using Tapatalk |
| Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:58 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: centralia Joined: Mon Feb 13, 2012 Posts: 1387
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Since the group B wog made a point to display his weapon, 'twould seem to be a act of intimidation. Most parks do not allow open display of firearms, by doing so the wog was setting up for a confrontation, or lawsuit/prison time if he'd hurt someone. Is a parking space worth flashing a firearm in a crowded park? I'd think not.
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| Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:34 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: I-5 /512 Joined: Thu Dec 8, 2011 Posts: 15491 Real Name: chris
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would have told him "go pound sand" you left tough shit unless its marked
you say you don't have a designated zone I go and talk to the rangers and make this shit clear. _________________  |
| Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:47 pm |
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Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2012 Posts: 359
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If someone threatened to run over and kill me or a family member, I would call the cops. I would take a video on my phone of said behavior.
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| Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:00 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: Deckerville Joined: Wed Jan 13, 2016 Posts: 2964 Real Name: Rob
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Threat with obvious means to carry through possibly resulting in grievous injury or death ...
What are you waiting for? _________________ “The Democrats are playing you for a political chump and if you vote for them, not only are you a chump, you are a traitor to your race.”-Malcolm X |
| Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:08 pm |
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 Location: Puyallup Joined: Thu Aug 16, 2012 Posts: 9063 Real Name: Richard Fitzwelliner
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I would have pulled out my 9 and put a cap in his ass.
For real though I would have said ok hold on give us a sec, then I would have disappeared and reappeared with an ar and asked him if he wants to play fuck fuck games or be a little cock sucker that he is and go park somewhere else _________________ If she sits on your face and you can still hear, SHE'S NOT FAT. I'm going to type out 3 paragraphs and wax eloquently about a similar story in my life. Pm me if you figured it out. |
| Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:18 pm |
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In Memoriam  Location: Mukilteoish Joined: Sat Mar 26, 2011 Posts: 11589
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We rarely camp at campgrounds anymore.
Have a few places we like to go to around Blewett Pass and the hills above Wenatchee. Not really camping unless you can shoot from your campsite. Last time we were at Ocean Beach State Park a family with obnoxious teenage kids setup a tent next to us. I threw in an offensive CD, put a Hungarian AMD-65 over my shoulder, and got the fire going with a can of gasoline. They were packed up and gone pretty quick. _________________ NRA Endowment Member. How did they know my member was well endowed? Last edited by Guntrader on Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:12 am, edited 2 times in total. |
| Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:51 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: Nisqually Valley Joined: Wed Oct 5, 2016 Posts: 4982
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Who was there first? His group or yours?
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| Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:54 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: Everett Joined: Mon Apr 22, 2013 Posts: 3420 Real Name: Ron
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Old Growth wrote: Who was there first? His group or yours? Sounds like his group (group B with the intimidating gun) was there first if I'm reading this right. Not even camping is fun anymore. This area is so overpopulated you cant even get away from this kind of shit when you go camping to get away from it all. Sounds more crowded than if you were to stay home. Camping is supposed to be fun and relaxing. I can get this kind of shit in down town Seattle or Tacoma. |
| Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:56 am |
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Site Supporter  Joined: Sat Aug 11, 2012 Posts: 7649
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Airborne Engineer wrote: Since the group B wog made a point to display his weapon, 'twould seem to be a act of intimidation. Most parks do not allow open display of firearms, by doing so the wog was setting up for a confrontation, or lawsuit/prison time if he'd hurt someone. Is a parking space worth flashing a firearm in a crowded park? I'd think not. A point, all public parks in WA allow for peaceful, lawful open carry. Preemption prevents them from banning it. See Seattle v Chan. Not sure if this was a private campground or not, maybe I missed that? About the incident, when he threatened to run you over with the vehicle that was illegal, the pistol appearing immediately AFTER that in threatening demeanor/context makes it more than just "open carry." I'm not a lawyer so your mileage may vary. _________________ If you vote for Biden you are voting to be murdered when he sends Beto to come take your "semi automatic assault weapon" (any semi auto). If you have family or friends voting for Biden show them this and ask if they are willing to vote for your murder or maybe even their own if they are gun owners or live with any. https://nypost.com/2020/03/03/joe-biden ... n-control/ Quote: “I want to make something clear, I’m going to guarantee you this is not the last you’ve seen of him (Beto),” Biden said Monday evening during a campaign rally in Dallas. “You’re (Beto) going to take care of the gun problem with me. You’re (Beto) going to be the one who leads this effort.” https://www.newsweek.com/beto-orourke-g ... ns-1465738 Quote: [Beto O'Rourke Suggests Police Would 'Visit' Homes To Implement Proposed Assault Weapons Ban] "In that case, I think that there would be a visit by law enforcement to recover that firearm... ..."If someone does not turn in an AR-15 or an AK-47, one of these weapons of war...then that weapon will be taken from them" |
| Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:37 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 19174 Real Name: Johnny 5
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Quote: RCW 9.41.270 Weapons apparently capable of producing bodily harm—Unlawful carrying or handling—Penalty—Exceptions. (1) It shall be unlawful for any person to carry, exhibit, display, or draw any firearm, dagger, sword, knife or other cutting or stabbing instrument, club, or any other weapon apparently capable of producing bodily harm, in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons. (2) Any person violating the provisions of subsection (1) above shall be guilty of a gross misdemeanor. If any person is convicted of a violation of subsection (1) of this section, the person shall lose his or her concealed pistol license, if any. The court shall send notice of the revocation to the department of licensing, and the city, town, or county which issued the license. (3) Subsection (1) of this section shall not apply to or affect the following: (a) Any act committed by a person while in his or her place of abode or fixed place of business; (b) Any person who by virtue of his or her office or public employment is vested by law with a duty to preserve public safety, maintain public order, or to make arrests for offenses, while in the performance of such duty; (c) Any person acting for the purpose of protecting himself or herself against the use of presently threatened unlawful force by another, or for the purpose of protecting another against the use of such unlawful force by a third person; (d) Any person making or assisting in making a lawful arrest for the commission of a felony; or (e) Any person engaged in military activities sponsored by the federal or state governments. _________________ NO DISASSEMBLE! Thomas Paine wrote: "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." |
| Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:51 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 19174 Real Name: Johnny 5
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'Move or I'll run over you'
*gun comes into play* Yeah, fuck that.... He threatened seriously bodily injury/harm, then presented a firearm.... _________________ NO DISASSEMBLE! Thomas Paine wrote: "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." |
| Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:54 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: Deckerville Joined: Wed Jan 13, 2016 Posts: 2964 Real Name: Rob
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If the campsite is considered a temporary abode (and quite often it is) then exemptions apply. Even without the firearm the threat still demands a response.
_________________ “The Democrats are playing you for a political chump and if you vote for them, not only are you a chump, you are a traitor to your race.”-Malcolm X |
| Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:20 pm |
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