I'd pack my shit and find another place to camp. Sadly, if I had stayed there, some bad shit would have happened. People suck. People suck. Oh, and did I mention that PEOPLE FUCKING SUCK?
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Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:45 pm
sigman226
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I'd pack my shit and find another place to camp. Sadly, if I had stayed there, some bad shit would have happened. People suck. People suck. Oh, and did I mention that PEOPLE FUCKING SUCK?
I don't think you did mention it...try saying it again.
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Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:50 pm
Arisaka
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One thing to consider. Anybody who feels the need to,strap on a pistol to intimidate others, is likely very unsure of his ability to prevail in an unarmed physical altercation. In other words, he is afraid. People who,are afraid are irrational and do stupid things.
Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:30 pm
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All you can do to the extreme is punch him in the face, take his gun, duck tape him up hog tied style, and call the cops.
In reality, just pack and get ready to leave late at night, when everyone is asleep - after you pull the rotor out of his distributor cap when he ain't looking. Or, play mix and match with all his plug wires.
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Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:52 pm
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Well when I take a day off early and stake a campsite for a group and have an established boundary that is being used by my group, I would be a little concerned that another person had occupied it while I was away for the daytime.
It doesnt matter how many years you have been camping there. Its first come first served. If he had been using a particular area and had not packed up and left, just left in vehicles for a daytime activity else ware then he should be able to come back and find his spot free.
Im not excusing his behavior for how he handled it. But dispersed camping is not for everyone.
Maybe next time hit the KOA or a park with railing and ropes and borders and lots of rules.
Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:17 pm
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For many years, my clan would assemble at Buck Creek, on Hwy 410. We would take up a huge area, with many vehicles, trailers and tents. I quit going up there when the "horse people" started thinking they owned the whole national forest. They would ride right through our camp, claiming it was "the trail". One pussy assed horse fucker got a bit too mouthy with me, and I pulled him off his mount, landing him face down in the dirt. I thought for sure he was gonna call the po po on me. He didn't, but ever since then, I tend to either stay in organized campsites with lot of rules, or WAY the hell out in the woods, by ourselves. It ain't worth the hassle. Especially when there are SO many people out there just begging to have their ass kicked.
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Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:49 pm
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So short version of the story: Out camping with family and friends over the holiday weekend, camp ground is packed. Group next to us tried to stake our as much space as possible before everything filled up. A few words were exchanged Friday when we first set up camp, but it was minimal. This camp ground doesn't have defined space and in the 7 years we have gone we have never had a negative interaction.
Saturday afternoon one vehicle who had been gone all day returns and is upset that we are playing a game in the space they left 12 hours prior and instead of parking 10 feet back from their original spot they declared "move or we will back over you".
While I'm having a conversation with the buddy directing the driver where to back up the driver hops out of the cab with a pistol on his hip that he clearly pulled from the glove box before getting out in an attempt to posture up. One of my friends told him to knock it off and 'put that shit away'. He did and I was eventually convinced to let these guys force us to move.
What would you have done in the same situation?
What a story. Holiday Weekend Packed Campground. Is this just a clearing in the woods? I try to stake as much space as possible too. Keep everybody away from me. If I wanted close neighbors, I'd go to a campground with picnic tables. What sort of "Few words"? This just sounds like establishing territory, defining borders etc. No big deal.
Playing a game in their space? What sort of game? Are you playing in their previous parking spot? Could they have parked 10 feet back, not in the middle of their site?
Threatening to back over people is way over the line. Driving over people can kill them. This is lethal threats.
Did you see the driver pull the pistol from the glove box? Or is this just speculation and conjecture? As you can see, there are crazy people everywhere, you might have been the crazy one in this story, so being armed isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Try to imagine this story from the other guys perspective. You don't specify who showed up first. He shows up early, stakes out his territory, you come in late and encroach on his space. He leaves for the day, to return and find you playing games in his living room. Amped up he tells you to back off. Thinking you've been prepping all day for this battle, he ensures he's protected against any attack you might be thinking of launching. Eventually you back down and leave his living room. He's just happy he was armed, you didn't already have your own guns stashed, and make a giant mess of things.
The great thing about camping is you typically find like-minded people. People that want to be left alone, but want to explore the wilderness. Stay away from me, and I'll stay away from you. But on the same hand, I want to get down to that river. It turns out you pitched your camp surrounding the trail. The paths up stream, and down stream, are treacherous, this is the best way. You need to realize, I'm walking through your camp to get to the river. I'll try to be polite and nice about it, but you aren't stopping me. No amount of dominance or posturing will scare me off.
Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:44 pm
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Public space is public space. I would call in LEO or whoever is running the campsite first before escalating the situation. Not worth the hassle.
I open carry when I greet trespassers as it is the only way I get them to leave without arguing or mouthing off. I've had the Sherriffs out several times and each time they tell the trespassers that the property owner can legally display, hold, or present a firearm.
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Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:19 pm
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A little more background. The camp ground is at Neah Bay. It is a tribal run campground. $20 per night camp where ever you like. Slow times you have the place to yourself busy weekends and it is assholes to elbows. After the brief encounter everyone was peaceful the rest of the time. I went and spoke to the driver afterwards and we shook hands. Basically he felt his mother had been disrespected the day before because she flipped me lip and I flipped it back to her. So the driver and his buddy were basically looking for an altercation. Fortunately the wives and children were present and the situation was defused. If it had just been me and the guys things would have likely gotten ugly. And yes my friend watched him put on his holster before exiting the vehicle.
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Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:14 pm
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