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Open carry for intimidation during an argument .. what would
Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:31 pm
by Fungunnin
So short version of the story:
Out camping with family and friends over the holiday weekend, camp ground is packed. Group next to us tried to stake our as much space as possible before everything filled up. A few words were exchanged Friday when we first set up camp, but it was minimal. This camp ground doesn't have defined space and in the 7 years we have gone we have never had a negative interaction.
Saturday afternoon one vehicle who had been gone all day returns and is upset that we are playing a game in the space they left 12 hours prior and instead of parking 10 feet back from their original spot they declared "move or we will back over you".
While I'm having a conversation with the buddy directing the driver where to back up the driver hops out of the cab with a pistol on his hip that he clearly pulled from the glove box before getting out in an attempt to posture up.
One of my friends told him to knock it off and 'put that shit away'. He did and I was eventually convinced to let these guys force us to move.
What would you have done in the same situation?
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Re: Open carry for intimidation during an argument .. what w
Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:46 pm
by golddigger14s
The explanation is a little hard to understand, so trying to armchair it is challenging. Take a break, think about it, and try to re-explain so we can have a clearer outside view of the situation to give a better answer.
Re: Open carry for intimidation during an argument .. what w
Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:58 pm
by Fungunnin
Confrontation between two groups of campers.
My group is group A the other group is group B.
Group A&B squabble Friday night over space in an unregulated campground.
Saturday Group B takes one vehicle and leaves for the entire day. Group B returns and finds someone using the space. Instead of parking else where Group B declares 'move or we'll back over you' driver of truck stuffs his holstered pistol in his pants before exiting vehicle. Group A tells his to put it away. He does.
Group A eventually moves and Group B back their truck up 10 more feet.
Is that easier to follow?
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Re: Open carry for intimidation during an argument .. what w
Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:34 pm
by Free Boer
Since the group B wog made a point to display his weapon, 'twould seem to be a act of intimidation. Most parks do not allow open display of firearms, by doing so the wog was setting up for a confrontation, or lawsuit/prison time if he'd hurt someone. Is a parking space worth flashing a firearm in a crowded park? I'd think not.
Re: Open carry for intimidation during an argument .. what w
Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:47 pm
by cmica
would have told him "go pound sand" you left tough shit unless its marked
you say you don't have a designated zone I go and talk to the rangers and make this shit clear.
Re: Open carry for intimidation during an argument .. what w
Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:00 pm
by George
If someone threatened to run over and kill me or a family member, I would call the cops. I would take a video on my phone of said behavior.
Re: Open carry for intimidation during an argument .. what w
Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:08 pm
by SporkBoy
Threat with obvious means to carry through possibly resulting in grievous injury or death ...
What are you waiting for?
Re: Open carry for intimidation during an argument .. what w
Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:18 pm
by Mediumrarechicken
I would have pulled out my 9 and put a cap in his ass.
For real though I would have said ok hold on give us a sec, then I would have disappeared and reappeared with an ar and asked him if he wants to play fuck fuck games or be a little cock sucker that he is and go park somewhere else
Re: Open carry for intimidation during an argument .. what w
Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:51 pm
by Guntrader
We rarely camp at campgrounds anymore.
Have a few places we like to go to around Blewett Pass and the hills above Wenatchee.
Not really camping unless you can shoot from your campsite.
Last time we were at Ocean Beach State Park a family with obnoxious teenage kids setup a tent next to us.
I threw in an offensive CD, put a Hungarian AMD-65 over my shoulder, and got the fire going with a can of gasoline.
They were packed up and gone pretty quick.
Re: Open carry for intimidation during an argument .. what w
Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:54 pm
by Old Growth
Who was there first? His group or yours?
Re: Open carry for intimidation during an argument .. what w
Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:56 am
by old11bravo
Old Growth wrote:Who was there first? His group or yours?
Sounds like his group (group B with the intimidating gun) was there first if I'm reading this right.
Not even camping is fun anymore. This area is so overpopulated you cant even get away from this kind of shit when you go camping to get away from it all. Sounds more crowded than if you were to stay home. Camping is supposed to be fun and relaxing. I can get this kind of shit in down town Seattle or Tacoma.
Re: Open carry for intimidation during an argument .. what w
Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:37 am
by Alpine
Airborne Engineer wrote:Since the group B wog made a point to display his weapon, 'twould seem to be a act of intimidation. Most parks do not allow open display of firearms, by doing so the wog was setting up for a confrontation, or lawsuit/prison time if he'd hurt someone. Is a parking space worth flashing a firearm in a crowded park? I'd think not.
A point, all public parks in WA allow for peaceful, lawful open carry. Preemption prevents them from banning it. See Seattle v Chan. Not sure if this was a private campground or not, maybe I missed that?
About the incident, when he threatened to run you over with the vehicle that was illegal, the pistol appearing immediately AFTER that in threatening demeanor/context makes it more than just "open carry."
I'm not a lawyer so your mileage may vary.
Re: Open carry for intimidation during an argument .. what w
Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:51 pm
by TechnoWeenie
RCW 9.41.270
Weapons apparently capable of producing bodily harm—Unlawful carrying or handling—Penalty—Exceptions.
(1) It shall be unlawful for any person to carry, exhibit, display, or draw any firearm, dagger, sword, knife or other cutting or stabbing instrument, club, or any other weapon apparently capable of producing bodily harm, in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons.
(2) Any person violating the provisions of subsection (1) above shall be guilty of a gross misdemeanor. If any person is convicted of a violation of subsection (1) of this section, the person shall lose his or her concealed pistol license, if any. The court shall send notice of the revocation to the department of licensing, and the city, town, or county which issued the license.
(3) Subsection (1) of this section shall not apply to or affect the following:
(a) Any act committed by a person while in his or her place of abode or fixed place of business;
(b) Any person who by virtue of his or her office or public employment is vested by law with a duty to preserve public safety, maintain public order, or to make arrests for offenses, while in the performance of such duty;
(c) Any person acting for the purpose of protecting himself or herself against the use of presently threatened unlawful force by another, or for the purpose of protecting another against the use of such unlawful force by a third person;
(d) Any person making or assisting in making a lawful arrest for the commission of a felony; or
(e) Any person engaged in military activities sponsored by the federal or state governments.
Re: Open carry for intimidation during an argument .. what w
Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:54 pm
by TechnoWeenie
'Move or I'll run over you'
*gun comes into play*
Yeah, fuck that....
He threatened seriously bodily injury/harm, then presented a firearm....
Re: Open carry for intimidation during an argument .. what w
Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:20 pm
by SporkBoy
If the campsite is considered a temporary abode (and quite often it is) then exemptions apply. Even without the firearm the threat still demands a response.