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Good Shoot? Burglars at Your Kids' Bedroom Window...
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WaJim
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Location: Tacoma Wa Joined: Tue Oct 8, 2013 Posts: 16607
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MadPick wrote: old11bravo wrote: Personally I really have no desire whatsoever to shoot anybody, not even a burglar. I would put my boot in their ass, yes. I would only shoot once I felt my life or the life of my loved ones were in imminent danger. I don't have any problem with homeowners engaging in an "unfair fight" with those who invade their homes. MadPick for King and Pierce Co Sheriff would fix a bunch of thieving dirty bastards now wouldn't it? 
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RockHopper
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Sad for the home-owner, but thumbs up for the message sent to shit stains who perpetrate crimes like this.
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| Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:23 pm |
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Pablo
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Bad guy is dead.
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| Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:25 pm |
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old11bravo
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MadPick wrote: old11bravo wrote: Personally I really have no desire whatsoever to shoot anybody, not even a burglar. I would put my boot in their ass, yes. I would only shoot once I felt my life or the life of my loved ones were in imminent danger. I like that concept, but the problem is that you never know how the fisticuffs are going to end. Maybe HIS boot will wind up in YOUR ass, and from there who knows how it will end. I don't have any problem with homeowners engaging in an "unfair fight" with those who invade their homes. I hear you. Trust me, I've had my ass unexpectedly handed to me a few times. I guess it really boils down to assessing the threat and that will always be subjective. I don't have a problem with shooting and/or killing a potential predator if I knew that I had exhausted any other means available to me first. I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep standing over the corpse if I knew in my own mind it was a me or him situation. Maybe that "me or him" situation was the case for this particular homeowner/father but there just isn't enough information for myself, personally, to judge as of yet. Edit: Don't mistake my hesitance to judge as compassion for burglars because that would be absolutely incorrect. I will say, if I knew the guy was a known sex predator I would have felt like I did the world a favor by shooting the bastard, even if he was running away!
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| Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:32 pm |
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Sinus211
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old11bravo wrote: MadPick wrote: old11bravo wrote: Personally I really have no desire whatsoever to shoot anybody, not even a burglar. I would put my boot in their ass, yes. I would only shoot once I felt my life or the life of my loved ones were in imminent danger. I like that concept, but the problem is that you never know how the fisticuffs are going to end. Maybe HIS boot will wind up in YOUR ass, and from there who knows how it will end. I don't have any problem with homeowners engaging in an "unfair fight" with those who invade their homes. I hear you. Trust me, I've had my ass unexpectedly handed to me a few times. I guess it really boils down to assessing the threat and that will always be subjective. I don't have a problem with shooting and/or killing a potential predator if I knew that I had exhausted any other means available to me first. I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep standing over the corpse if I knew in my own mind it was a me or him situation. Maybe that "me or him" situation was the case for this particular homeowner/father but there just isn't enough information for myself, personally, to judge as of yet. And this is why you're in great shape and I'm a fat guy. I'd shoot an intruder without even getting up off the couch. And as long as he wasn't bleeding out on the tile in the entryway (blood stains in grout are a PITA!) I'd call the cops from the couch too.
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OhShoot!
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sinus211 wrote: And this is why you're in great shape and I'm a fat guy. I'd shoot an intruder without even getting up off the couch. And as long as he wasn't bleeding out on the tile in the entryway (blood stains in grout are a PITA!) I'd call the cops from the couch too.
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| Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:53 pm |
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jukk0u
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here's the thing about being forced to intervene to protect home and hearth:
once you have determined that action is necessary, confronting a criminal without a weapon isn't wise. And I wouldn't say "freeze!" or "halt!"
remember the good samaritan that tried to stop the shooting at the Tacoma Mall?
Once you initiate contact, do not hesitate.
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| Fri Sep 15, 2017 6:00 pm |
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Selador
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Unicorn wrote: Hopefully he doesn't get charged. The news on Q13 was pretty good about their reporting. The anchorman was giving a good explanation about how you're able to shoot someone if they are a threat.
This was in my neighborhood. Less than half a mile from my house. So yer saying they mighta thought it was you?
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| Fri Sep 15, 2017 6:17 pm |
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Alpine
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MadPick wrote: old11bravo wrote: Personally I really have no desire whatsoever to shoot anybody, not even a burglar. I would put my boot in their ass, yes. I would only shoot once I felt my life or the life of my loved ones were in imminent danger. I like that concept, but the problem is that you never know how the fisticuffs are going to end. Maybe HIS boot will wind up in YOUR ass, and from there who knows how it will end. I don't have any problem with homeowners engaging in an "unfair fight" with those who invade their homes. +100000000 Guns are the great equalizer. Without them we revert to the 1300s and Rule by the Strong. Brigands would rule the road. A gun lets 90lb grandma stop a 250lb thug. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.usnews ... ontext=ampWe'll said MadPick, could not agree more.
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| Fri Sep 15, 2017 6:48 pm |
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ANZAC
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Location: 12 Acres in Eastern WA Joined: Sat Nov 10, 2012 Posts: 7252
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Alpine wrote: Watching the coverage of this story and seeing the dipshit statements from LEOs and media figures it has made me sick that we've allowed the 2nd major part of the self-defense RCW to be effectively erased. https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9A.16.050Quote: 9A.16.040 << 9A.16.050 >> 9A.16.060
RCW 9A.16.050 Homicide—By other person—When justifiable. Homicide is also justifiable when committed either: (1) In the lawful defense of the slayer, or his or her husband, wife, parent, child, brother, or sister, or of any other person in his or her presence or company, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design on the part of the person slain to commit a felony or to do some great personal injury to the slayer or to any such person, and there is imminent danger of such design being accomplished; or (2) In the actual resistance of an attempt to commit a felony upon the slayer, in his or her presence, or upon or in a dwelling, or other place of abode, in which he or she is. You've bolded it wrong, I fixed it for you. If you were right, then the idiots that shoot people driving off in their stolen cars from their driveway would be acquitted. My guess this will be ruled a good shoot because the kids were in the room the dirtbags were entering.
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| Fri Sep 15, 2017 6:52 pm |
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Alpine
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ANZAC wrote: Alpine wrote: Watching the coverage of this story and seeing the dipshit statements from LEOs and media figures it has made me sick that we've allowed the 2nd major part of the self-defense RCW to be effectively erased. https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9A.16.050Quote: 9A.16.040 << 9A.16.050 >> 9A.16.060
RCW 9A.16.050 Homicide—By other person—When justifiable. Homicide is also justifiable when committed either: (1) In the lawful defense of the slayer, or his or her husband, wife, parent, child, brother, or sister, or of any other person in his or her presence or company, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design on the part of the person slain to commit a felony or to do some great personal injury to the slayer or to any such person, and there is imminent danger of such design being accomplished; or (2) In the actual resistance of an attempt to commit a felony upon the slayer, in his or her presence, or upon or in a dwelling, or other place of abode, in which he or she is. You've bolded it wrong, I fixed it for you. If you were right, then the idiots that shoot people driving off in their stolen cars from their driveway would be acquitted. My guess this will be ruled a good shoot because the kids were in the room the dirtbags were entering. You mean idiots like this? http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2014/a ... f-fleeing/How many on the jury do you think really swallowed the "Parthian Shot" line? Fyi, you cannot commit a felony against property. Grand theft auto is not a crime against the car, it's a felony committed against the car OWNER.
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| Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:14 pm |
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SporkBoy
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WaJim wrote: Lethal force to remove the 'threat' legal only after every other option has failed....
Threat not Burglar.
Dad better been yelling his ass off.....not legal to dry gulch. Burglary is not the same as robbery.
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| Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:24 pm |
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WaJim
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Location: Tacoma Wa Joined: Tue Oct 8, 2013 Posts: 16607
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SporkBoy wrote: WaJim wrote: Lethal force to remove the 'threat' legal only after every other option has failed....
Threat not Burglar.
Dad better been yelling his ass off.....not legal to dry gulch. Burglary is not the same as robbery. I'm aware of that...I should have made a complete sentence. The Italicized 'threat' in my first statement is what I was referring to that can be removed by lethal force. A Burglar can not, unless he's a "Imminent Threat". It is not legal IMHO to shoot a Burglar.....I'm not a lawyer, just been to quite a few LE run self defense Firearm classes. If the burglar is going after or "THREATENING" the well being of your kids then that's a different story. If the burglar is looking in the window that just so happens to be your kids room and you snipe his ass...you may be in deep shit.
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| Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:46 pm |
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TechnoWeenie
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IMHO...
Used violence ie broke a window to get in = propensity for violence, cars in driveway (assuming) means burglars knew someone was home, doesn't take a rocket surgeon for a 'reasonable person' to infer that force was gonna be used on the occupants as it had already been used to gain entry.
Good shoot.
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Selador
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Good shoot, bad shoot... I don't care.
If I see your face peering in my child's bedroom, you are going to get a face full of lead.
I don't care what your reason might actually be or what excuse you might come up with.
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