In their defense, they were stuck trying to come up with a good reason to defend the use and ownership of what's essentially a range toy. All the other issues on their plate that I can think of are pretty weighty. I wish they could have tied this into getting something else passed, but they have no leverage after what happened.
There are some people on here that are so "shall not be infringed" that they'd probably support a five year old buying a grenade launcher OTC at the local Wal-Mart. As much as we hate it, there's just some aspects of the ownership of arms that aren't going to get any support from politicians or the public. Yes, the Constitution was supposed to defend natural rights from the tyranny of the majority, but it's a sheet of vellum --- if it gets ignored and the courts support it, that's all she wrote.
If you think the other amendments are absolute, try starting your own pirate radio station or run through the local mall screaming racial slurs. Even freedom of speech and expression has limits.
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Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:42 pm
Guntrader
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Location: Mukilteoish Joined: Sat Mar 26, 2011 Posts: 11589
We did not do this... yet we are paying for it. F'n hell.
Yes "we" kinda did.
This shooting in LV wasn't done by an illegal border jumper, or by a convicted felon, or by a minor, or by a mentally insane person, or by a DV perp, or by a person on drugs, or,,, ETC.
It was done by a normal legal ol citizen just like YOU and I. WE are part of the normal ol legal public and so was this guy until he crossed the line and committed this horrible act.
I don't know if you are crazy or going to kill your wife or rob your neighbor. Until you cross that line I will respect your rights tho. This is a chance Im willing to take to protect my/your rights.
These regs are going to happen, your not going to stop them. Bump fire stocks fall in a loop hole.
There has been clear laws about NO machine guns for along time. These bump fire stocks skirt that rule and WE all know it.
In the aftermath of the evil and senseless attack in Las Vegas, the American people are looking for answers as to how future tragedies can be prevented. Unfortunately, the first response from some politicians has been to call for more gun control. Banning guns from law-abiding Americans based on the criminal act of a madman will do nothing to prevent future attacks. This is a fact that has been proven time and again in countries across the world. In Las Vegas, reports indicate that certain devices were used to modify the firearms involved. Despite the fact that the Obama administration approved the sale of bump fire stocks on at least two occasions, the National Rifle Association is calling on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) to immediately review whether these devices comply with federal law. The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations. In an increasingly dangerous world, the NRA remains focused on our mission: strengthening Americans' Second Amendment freedom to defend themselves, their families and their communities. To that end, on behalf of our five million members across the country, we urge Congress to pass National Right-to-Carry reciprocity, which will allow law-abiding Americans to defend themselves and their families from acts of violence.
No ambiguity there. The NRA is calling for additional gun regulations. Never thought I'd see the day.
My hope is that there is some brinkmanship going on here.
NRA comes out strongly against anything that turns a semi auto into a full auto.
Well, duh. That's already illegal so really they are just saying they support laws that already exist but it sounds to the libs like they are conceding something.
The point is to get the libs to believe that they 'closed a loophole' or banned something without actually changing a damn thing.
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Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:10 pm
Massivedesign
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I feel this is VERY shortsighted. Since almost any semi-auto gun can be bump fired WITHOUT a bump-fire stock, it is a slippery slope to slide down and gives more "ammo" to the Anti's to ban a wider assortment of guns; including most or all semi-auto guns.
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Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:41 pm
Jonathan Brown
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Location: SnoCo Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 Posts: 2357
In the aftermath of the evil and senseless attack in Las Vegas, the American people are looking for answers as to how future tragedies can be prevented. Unfortunately, the first response from some politicians has been to call for more gun control. Banning guns from law-abiding Americans based on the criminal act of a madman will do nothing to prevent future attacks. This is a fact that has been proven time and again in countries across the world. In Las Vegas, reports indicate that certain devices were used to modify the firearms involved. Despite the fact that the Obama administration approved the sale of bump fire stocks on at least two occasions, the National Rifle Association is calling on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) to immediately review whether these devices comply with federal law. The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations. In an increasingly dangerous world, the NRA remains focused on our mission: strengthening Americans' Second Amendment freedom to defend themselves, their families and their communities. To that end, on behalf of our five million members across the country, we urge Congress to pass National Right-to-Carry reciprocity, which will allow law-abiding Americans to defend themselves and their families from acts of violence.
No ambiguity there. The NRA is calling for additional gun regulations. Never thought I'd see the day.
My hope is that there is some brinkmanship going on here.
NRA comes out strongly against anything that turns a semi auto into a full auto.
Well, duh. That's already illegal so really they are just saying they support laws that already exist but it sounds to the libs like they are conceding something.
The point is to get the libs to believe that they 'closed a loophole' or banned something without actually changing a damn thing.
I kind was wondering if there is a lot more to their statement at face value. Its almost like they are challenging the ATF now. If the ATF sticks to their current standing then it really takes heat of Reps and the NRA. Blame the ATF? Then you can bring up how it was Obama's era when it was deemed legal. If the ATF rules against us....legal challenge since by definition a "bump fire" stock breaks no law. And then the current administration knows where the ATF stands and the NRA can push for change.
I dunno it seems to me like the NRA has deeper meaning in their statement than just appearing to be against things.
Course who really knows other than time.
Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:12 pm
codfather
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Location: Rainier Joined: Sat Jun 28, 2014 Posts: 1513
Real Name: Darryl
Better buy your bump fire stocks now before the ban......Fostech has them at $450.00
For $30 worth of materials, you can make your own. Just need some time, tools, and patience. May not be quite as good, but you can take the money you saved and use it to cover all the ammo you're gonna burn.
Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:06 pm
danoh
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Location: Sumner, WA Joined: Mon Oct 15, 2012 Posts: 3049
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Cherry picking NRA's statement, I see how some of you all are getting upset. I don't see it that way at all. I see a different message.
You all need to reread that statement in full.
Why don't you go ahead and link to it, and quote out why you think everybody is cherry picking? You've called everybody an idiot, without providing any evidence.
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