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I've said the same things, in several different ways. Because no matter how I say it someone here wants to 'interpret' what I say, to mean something completely different,...........


Herein may lie a major crux of the issue^^^. Just reading and writing black and white type, it is virtually impossible to impart or interpret all of the nuance of the original writer or reader's emotion and rationale. Some people are naturally predisposed to pessimism, thereby always leaning toward the worst possible meaning of someone's words. And of course, for those with a predetermined agenda, or just spoiling for a fight, regardless of what you say, your words will always be twisted to bolster their negativity.

Tolerance, patience, and understanding are the ways I see to work around these differences.

Kumbaya.

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I've said the same things, in several different ways. Because no matter how I say it someone here wants to 'interpret' what I say, to mean something completely different,...........


Herein may lie a major crux of the issue^^^. Just reading and writing black and white type, it is virtually impossible to impart or interpret all of the nuance of the original writer or reader's emotion and rationale. Some people are naturally predisposed to pessimism, thereby always leaning toward the worst possible meaning of someone's words. And of course, for those with a predetermined agenda, or just spoiling for a fight, regardless of what you say, your words will always be twisted to bolster their negativity.

Tolerance, patience, and understanding are the ways I see to work around these differences.

Kumbaya.


This... :bow:

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Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:48 pm
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Fuck......
I've been around law enforcement of just shy of 50 years.
Every swinging dick was human and not God.
For the life of me I continue to be completely amazed at those that honestly believe all officers should be God and never fail as a human.
40 years ago was much different than today.
An officer is expected to trust citizens, wholly, and assume that citizen isn't going to try and kill them, every fucking day. Try living that life, hell enlist as a ground pounder if you can't cut it as a cop, and go walk in some country hoping every minute that shit doesn't get real and your training will mimic what you're about to experience, so you know what the fuck to do when it hits the fan.
Fuck...... simple traffic stops anymore are spooky as fuck, and the hatred of cops is at an all time high. Responding to some shots fired or domestic with reports of weapons and the level of sphincter factor is thru the roof.
Can't even run traffic during a peaceful protest without being gear up for the bricks and bottles thrown at you, for the simple FACT that you wear a uniform and have authority.
Yet some expect those officers to get shot at before firing their own weapon, just in case you know....

I'm sure I'm a bit tainted and could never be an officer as I don't have the patience or trust of the population to talk someone down with a weapon, run after someone, hide behind the corner or give someone that's having a meltdown a second chance. Because in all reality, those fuckers would shoot a cop to avoid jail or to stop the officer from interrupting whatever the fuck they were doing.

Some of the anger/resentment/distrust/and words of higher expectations of officers on here is pretty crappy, just crappy, fucking depressing...
We're all human, even cops. If an officer fucks up, he/she should be punished, just like the rest of us.
Their punishment shouldn't be a broad stroke of a brush, shit happens fast and they have to rely on ever evolving training for scenarios that are never the same twice and change daily.
There's good and bad cops. There's good cops that have gone bad. At what percentage? Much less than the rest of the citizens out there.


How many people on here are absolutely perfect in everything they do, always and 100% never fuck up in ALL they do, every damned day? How many? Step up, let us know which one of you is God.
Unless you've been something other than a pog in the armed forces or a cop, you're all fucking arm chair quarter backing this shit, and it needs to stop. Cops fuck up like the rest of the population, punish that individual, not the rest of them, don't judge all by one, or even a dozen.
Have experience or step up and put on the uniform before a judgement is passed, anything else is just fluff.

Fuck people, are we really that petty with narcissistic opinions?


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I've said the same things, in several different ways. Because no matter how I say it someone here wants to 'interpret' what I say, to mean something completely different,...........


Herein may lie a major crux of the issue^^^. Just reading and writing black and white type, it is virtually impossible to impart or interpret all of the nuance of the original writer or reader's emotion and rationale. Some people are naturally predisposed to pessimism, thereby always leaning toward the worst possible meaning of someone's words. And of course, for those with a predetermined agenda, or just spoiling for a fight, regardless of what you say, your words will always be twisted to bolster their negativity.

Tolerance, patience, and understanding are the ways I see to work around these differences.

Kumbaya.

Agreed. Thank you for the reminder.

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No. Cops should not be singled out as the only ones who are held to a higher standard. No one here has ever said anything like that.


Oops, seems like there may be folks here that may have said someyhing along these lines:

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Exactly why I keep saying they need to be held to higher standards than the rest of us.

Ah, I see why the confusion there.

I also said...
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You expect the baker not to make the same mistakes that you would, when he does his job.

Why do we have higher standards for the baker, than we have for ourselves. But we don't do the same for the cop?

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Why should a cop not be expected to make better decisions than the guy running the gas station, or the school teacher, when faced with a dangerous situation?


You see, you are taking that as: Cops should be held to higher standards and no one else should be held to higher standards.

When what I actually said was... The baker should be held to a higher standard than the rest of us. The heart surgeon should be held to a higher standard than the rest of us. The cop should be held to a higher standard than the rest of us.

The baker should make better bread than I could. The heart surgeon should save more lives than I could. And the cop should be a better cop than I could be.

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As for the rest of the emotional rants against what I am supposedly saying...

*I never said cops had to be like gods. But you apply that intention to my words.

And then you say that I should either regard cops AS gods, or else I hate them. One or the other. Black or white. No other choice.

Seriously, either I close my eyes to what the bad cops do, or else I hate cops. There is no middle ground where I can recognize that the majority of cops are good. I can actually SUPPORT cops... And yet still want to see more bad cops held accountable, instead of excused, and even promoted...

*There ARE people who rag on the cops every chance they get. I am not one of those people. I LIKE the cops. I used to be one.

*The MSM DOES have an agenda against cops. I am not the MSM. I don't buy into their agenda. And I resent being thrown into the same bucket of crap they inhabit just because I recognize that human beings can make mistakes. And I prefer that people learn from their mistakes. Not get them excused and swept under the carpet.

I have made the point for decades now, that cops are just human beings, like the rest of us. And they face things the rest of us don't have to. Should I go on an angry rant now, because no one remembers that? And instead they want to rant angrily against me, because they THINK I am ragging on police?


I've said the same things, in several different ways. Because no matter how I say it someone here wants to 'interpret' what I say, to mean something completely different, so they can get their panties all up in a wad, and be angry at me about it.

I can't think of any more ways, or any more simple way to put it.

When the baker makes a mistake, bread gets thrown out.

When a cop makes a mistake, people could die.


Being human is not an excuse. If you can't do the job, don't sign up for it. Everyone else who signed up for it, and is doing a good job of it is just as human as you are.

And good cops should do a lot more policing against bad cops. Bad cops shouldn't be defended by good cops.

Good cops are getting a bum deal. They are getting a bad rap.

There is definitely a bias against cops in the media. That should be dealt with. How, I don't know.

But the stories don't just come out of nowhere.

Bad cops ARE being defended by good cops. If the good cops are worried about their 'rep', they should change the unions in ways that bad cops aren't defended.

Because a BIG part of that bad rap you good cops are getting, comes from the way you close ranks around a bad cop, and defend him. Then demand that we all treat every one of you like gods. Unquestionable, or else we hate you...


Well said sir. :bow:


one I can't wrap my head around is when Officer A and Citizen B are in the same situation, at the same time, I am being told I should cut Officer A slack for the stress and split second-on edge-chaos of the moment, yet Citizen A "should know better"


I cannot wrap my little unwashed pea brain around that one.

I also can't wrap my head around how an officer can kill an innocent bystander and have his chief spoon feed us the "he is a hero he needs our support" rhetoric at a press conference, because they were after a bad guy who is bad until proven otherwise, or just simply refused an order, or just simply made the officer afraid for a minute...

...but when a firefighter goes through an intersection lit up and audible (lights and sirens), gets in a collision with a motorist who failed to yield, he gets charged with manslaughter because "he could've stopped, he didn't know for sure people were burning alive in the building he was RUSHING to so callously and maliciously."

There are strange social engineering methods afoot to make the unwashed masses never question a police officer's actions. That's not right. It's also not cop hating.



The cop has a duty to act. They have an obligation to actually do something.

You, me, everyone else here, has at the very most, possibly a requirement to call the police if/when safe. See the difference? You can run away screaming. The cop has the duty and responsibility to go to the danger.


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...but when a firefighter goes through an intersection lit up and audible (lights and sirens), gets in a collision with a motorist who failed to yield, he gets charged with manslaughter because "he could've stopped, he didn't know for sure people were burning alive in the building he was RUSHING to so callously and maliciously."


They can? How so?

If the fire unit is responding to a call, running code, and they get into a collision that does NOT show absolute stupidity, the motorist could face failure to yield to an emergency vehicle.

If this is the case, then tell me this: Do you know that, if a fire unit is responding to a life threatening emergency AND a vehicle is in the way--such as, parked in front of a fire hydrant--that they can breach the vehicle or ram it out of the way to get to the emergency?

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If the fire unit is responding to a call, running code, and they get into a collision that does NOT show absolute stupidity, the motorist could face failure to yield to an emergency vehicle.

If this is the case, then tell me this: Do you know that, if a fire unit is responding to a life threatening emergency AND a vehicle is in the way--such as, parked in front of a fire hydrant--that they can breach the vehicle or ram it out of the way to get to the emergency?


WA state law allows them to ignore laws such as speeding, parking, bypassing traffic control devices, etc. and MUST still exercise 'due regard for the safety of' other motorists and pedestrians.

Also depends on agency policy. Many fire dept's have standing orders not to exceed X MPH over the limit, or over Y MPH.... Can't tell you how stupid it is having a Utility (F350) going 60 MPH (Dep't policy) with lights and sirens on the highway, and having traffic pass you @ 70+ MPH... But policy is policy (and idiots aren't supposed to pass emergency vehicles with their lights activated).

With Opticom emitters, there's a visual notification, via a light, that lets you know you 'have' the intersection,and everyone else has a red, but they're not on all intersections, and not all agencies use them.

as far as physically ramming vehicles, I'm not aware of state law that allows that, although I'm sure there's a catch all 'in the performance of duties blah blah protect life and property' somewhere.

I know first hand of a driver of a medic-engine en route to a child trapped in a vehicle that was on fire, that drove half on curb, and half on the roadway, and took out mirrors, bumpers, etc. of about 20 vehicles. County paid out the damages, and the driver had to take an EVOC refresher course, but saved the girl.....County didn't really care, necessary evil to save a life, but had to save face by admonishing the driver.

I even have the video from that day....

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...but when a firefighter goes through an intersection lit up and audible (lights and sirens), gets in a collision with a motorist who failed to yield, he gets charged with manslaughter because "he could've stopped, he didn't know for sure people were burning alive in the building he was RUSHING to so callously and maliciously."


They can? How so?

If the fire unit is responding to a call, running code, and they get into a collision that does NOT show absolute stupidity, the motorist could face failure to yield to an emergency vehicle.

If this is the case, then tell me this: Do you know that, if a fire unit is responding to a life threatening emergency AND a vehicle is in the way--such as, parked in front of a fire hydrant--that they can breach the vehicle or ram it out of the way to get to the emergency?

Hahahaha!
If that was the case, there wouldn't be many FF's or other emergency responders left on the road, as they'd all be in prison!
Seems like the colorful flashing lights are a magnet to the less intelligently enabled and those that always seem to be in a hurry, or just don't care and will cut off an emergency vehicle.
Can't count the number of units that have been hit with the priority switch flipped.
Drunks seem drawn to the pretty flashing lights, much like the bugs on a porch light.
Due regard will trump Joe Public driving like an asshole every time. Wanna play chicken, go right ahead and lose.


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I was awakened by voices outside my bedroom window.... I quietly and quickly acquired my Remington 870 Police from next to the nightstand and slipped on some shoes, exiting the back door of my house to intercept what appeared to be 1 or more 'invidiuals' coming around that side of my house.

As they came around the corner I clicked the SureFire on and said "WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU?"

Their immediate response was "get that light out of my face"

Again I said "TELL ME WHO YOU ARE OR I'LL DROP YOU LIKE A TREE"

They said "Dan, seriously, get that fucking light out of my face"

It was at that moment, about 5-7 seconds into our 'conversation' I realized I had a loaded 12 gauge shotgun pointed directly at a Grays Harbor County Sheriff's deputy and his K-9. Fortunately for me, that deputy is a trained professional held to a higher standard and operates as such. I also went to school with him and consider him a borderline BFF type, hence him knowing my name and him knowing his way around my property without tripping my perimeter alarms.

They had a call from down the road for an attempted home invasion to the home of a single female and were checking neighboring properties for hiding spots.

He was convinced he was quiet enough for me to not hear him and didn't realize I had awakened. Mutual surprise, indeed.

So...it's very possible to point a firearm at a cop, refuse commands, and live to tell about it. When the cop is good at their job and knows where your hidden house keys are anyway. :ROFLMAO:


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Police are held to higher standards. Starting with the employment application, through background investigations that can reveal who you've been sleeping with and how often, to how often you travel and where. If anything goes wrong on the job you can be investigated by the "Police Police" (Internal Affairs or whatever the department has named theirs). You can end up with a suspension or even termination that can include loss of pension. In some cases your actions will be investigated by a civilian oversight agency and their investigation can keep an officer "riding the pine" for extended periods of time.

The last job I applied for didn't involve the long list of intrusions into my personal life, all they wanted to know was whether or not I could do the job. If I pissed a customer off my supervisor came to me and told me to "try to work on that". No suspension, pay forfeiture, loss of vacation days, etc.


We live in a society today that had it's roots in the 60's when civil disobedience became less civil. People get outraged over police reactions to outright defiance and lawbreaking. Look at other countries and look how many people their police send to the hospital when they have their lawful orders defied. I'd say that our police officers as a group are pretty well restrained.

Of course there some (even here among us) who like to portray them in the worst possible light.

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