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The attempted deplatforming of Alex Jones
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Pablo
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Location: Everson, WA Joined: Sun Jan 6, 2013 Posts: 28460
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MV confirming what I just wrote. They will just keep pushing. Their worthless apologies to the odd one or two people "inadvertently" censored are a small price to pay.
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| Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:00 am |
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Selador
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Location: Index Joined: Thu Aug 23, 2012 Posts: 12955
Real Name: Jeff
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movingviolation wrote: but wait, there is more! https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-07/crackdown-continues-twitter-suspends-libertarian-accounts-including-ron-paulQuote: One day after what appeared to be a coordinated attack by media giants Facebook, Apple, Spotify and Google on Alex Jones, whose various social media accounts were banned or suspended in a matter of hours, the crackdown against alternative media figures continued as several Libertarian figures, including the Ron Paul Institute director, found their Twitter accounts suspended. On Monday, Twitter suspended the editorial director of antiwar.com Scott Horton, former State Department employee Peter Van Buren, and Dan McAdams, the executive director of the Ron Paul Institute. The suspensions come days after Twitter suspended black conservative Candace Owen from Twitter for highlighting the algorithmic hypocrisy of Twitter by replacing the word “white” with “Jewish” in a series of tweets modeled on those by New York Times editor Sarah Jeong.
just after controversial conservative Alex Jones, and his podcast InfoWars, were kicked out from most social media platforms, prompting conservative to accuse the social networks of collusion in a collective crackdown on non-mainstream voices. The Silicon Valley giants were criticized by the US political establishment for failing to prevent alleged Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election. Meanwhile, critics now say the pressured media giants are engaging in political censorship, using their market dominance and lack of legislated neutrality requirements to target descent voices ahead of the midterm elections. Tarriff them. Break up their monopolies by forcing them to pay to support alternate platforms. By the way, the word is dissent. Descent means moving downward. Journalists should be held to a higher standard of grammar. 
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| Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:34 am |
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MadPick
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I think they meant “decent,” Jeff. 
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| Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:01 am |
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Selador
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Location: Index Joined: Thu Aug 23, 2012 Posts: 12955
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MadPick wrote: I think they meant “decent,” Jeff.  Good one! Targeting decent voices with their propagandist censorship... 
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| Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:06 am |
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jackass
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RENCORP wrote: The issue is simple - we paid for the internet - it was a DARPA platform originally developed for the military, with our tax dollars.
We own it. For companies to assume control or censorship to advance an agenda or favor a special interest group, should result in the company doing so being stripped of it's privileges to use the internet to monetize itself. Take them out, break them up, sell them off. America should not be acting like China when it comes to the use of a public utility. EXACTLY. And google. And what else?
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| Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:48 pm |
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movingviolation
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Selador wrote: By the way, the word is dissent. Descent means moving downward. Journalists should be held to a higher standard of grammar.  spelling Nazi!!! 
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| Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:54 pm |
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Olympia173
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TechnoWeenie wrote: When they start saying it's OKAY to censor someone like that, then you gotta worry about who else they're going to censor. Who is "they"? Again, these bans are all being instituted as a matter of policy by private corporations, not the government. It seems that what everyone is suggesting is that the Feds should step in and tell social-media giants that they WILL allow everyone to make use of their platform. Isn't that what upsets us about "religious baker" cases? Furthermore, could it not be argued that refusing service to users with whom they disagree is a form of political-speech, much like Corporate campaign contributions? Didn't the Citizens United decision rest on the premise that 1st amendment protections extended to corporations? RENCORP wrote: The issue is simple - we paid for the internet - it was a DARPA platform originally developed for the military, with our tax dollars.
We own it. For companies to assume control or censorship to advance an agenda or favor a special interest group, should result in the company doing so being stripped of it's privileges to use the internet to monetize itself. Take them out, break them up, sell them off. America should not be acting like China when it comes to the use of a public utility. "We" may have footed the bill for the initial development of what would eventually be the internet, but it was investment and innovation by private corporations that created it in its current form. Isn't it a little dangerous to say that just because taxpayer dollars paid for the initial development, that everything downstream of that belongs to the collective? I'm not an expert on the internet or anything, so I'm open to corrections, but as I understand it, the web doesn't just exist in the ether. It takes physical infrastructure to make it all work. The government doesn't build or maintain all of that, and in all likelihood it probably benefits from the expenditures of profit-driven private enterprise. Your statements sound a lot like an Obama "you didn't build that" justification for government seizure of private assets....
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| Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:24 pm |
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RENCORP
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No .
Wrong.
To expand on my comments after addressing your curve ball just outside the strike zone................
Companies monetized the internet, and feel that they can control what is essentially the modern version of free press.
The ability of the people to hear differing and dissenting opinions to engage their own critical thinking and thought processes to become informed as to the reality of the world they live in is severely constrained if corporate interests can arbitrarily determine legal content.
I said, there should be consequences for companies that arbitrarily stifled opinion that differed from their own to benefit a special interest group or to advance social engineering.
Essentially, the stifling of free press, or free speech, both cornerstones of our Constitution and the Bill of Rights, should be met with severe consequences. .
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| Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:54 pm |
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vic_b
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Motivated wrote: Simple solution: Stop using social media. Exactly!!!!!! F*** facebook twitter and all the others.
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| Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:09 pm |
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Alpine
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They want to be purely private enterprises with no benefits or perks from the government related to utilities or the net then fine, but let's drop them to that level of access and privilege right away if they're going to ban people they politically disagree with.
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OhShoot! wrote: Alex Jones sucks ass. Turn that fool off. careful what you say or someone might say the same about you
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PMB
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I am not familiar with any of these social media thingies except for YouTube University. Here comes opinions. YouTube and other giantish media platforms are not the same thing as a local bakery, ie, that we as the consumer have the ability to take our business elsewhere. At least not at the present time. The deliberate (and even coordinated) stifling of a dissenting opinion/position on national, even worldwide platforms is purely and simply a violation of their rights to free speech. This opinion would be different if there were a conservative equivalent to Google et al, but honestly, I think that having opposing media platforms that are 90% biased towards opposite viewpoints would be terrible for humanity... Kind of like the MSM and Fox right now.
I believe that mega giantish media platforms aforementioned should acknowledge their market dominance and have a VERY limited set of things that can be banned. Political opinions should never be stifled as long as they don't openly advocate for violence or things along that line. Platforms that cater to all ages should be able to refuse content that isn't appropriate for their audience, ie porn. YouTube's audience goes all the way from toddlers to people on their death beds, political views from ultra-libertarians to ultra-Controllists. Don't stifle opinions or political positions. Let "the market" decide what they want to watch. IMHO.
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| Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:49 pm |
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TechnoWeenie
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Would you complain if your local newspaper refused to print something? This is no different,
Alarming, yes, but they're playing their cards, and it makes it easier for us to play ours.
Violating the 1A? Not even.
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PMB
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How strange! We can have different opinions?! haha
I tried to explain why my opinion is that giantish media platforms are vastly different than a local paper. In a way, the giantish media platforms ARE the new town square. Keeping out dissenting opinions is akin to prohibiting a person who disagrees with the government from speaking in the old time town square. IMHO.
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| Tue Aug 07, 2018 5:08 pm |
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Alpine
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Your local newspaper isn't affiliated with LFA-granted utility monopolies. Hell, in some areas Google itself is an ISP.
Analogy falls flat.
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