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The attempted deplatforming of Alex Jones
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TechnoWeenie
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PMB wrote: How strange! We can have different opinions?! haha
I tried to explain why my opinion is that giantish media platforms are vastly different than a local paper. In a way, the giantish media platforms ARE the new town square. Keeping out dissenting opinions is akin to prohibiting a person who disagrees with the government from speaking in the old time town square. IMHO. But the Town Square is Disney property, and they trespassed you. :D Forcing companies to 'accept' speech is silly. Where does it stop? Can I force my local newspaper to print my opinions? Imagine, if courts ruled that companies couldn't prohibit speech? Every starfucks would be filled with soyboys and feminazis...oh.. wait...nvm
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| Tue Aug 07, 2018 5:12 pm |
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TechnoWeenie
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Alpine wrote: Your local newspaper isn't affiliated with LFA-granted utility monopolies. Hell, in some areas Google itself is an ISP.
Analogy falls flat. ISP = streets to get where you wanna go Walmart is not blocking off streets so the only place you can go is to Walmart.... Nothing is preventing you from walking around with a sign, or a billboard, or starting your own newspaper...
_________________NO DISASSEMBLE!Thomas Paine wrote: "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
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Selador
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Olympia173 wrote: TechnoWeenie wrote: When they start saying it's OKAY to censor someone like that, then you gotta worry about who else they're going to censor. Who is "they"? Again, these bans are all being instituted as a matter of policy by private corporations, not the government. It seems that what everyone is suggesting is that the Feds should step in and tell social-media giants that they WILL allow everyone to make use of their platform. Isn't that what upsets us about "religious baker" cases? Furthermore, could it not be argued that refusing service to users with whom they disagree is a form of political-speech, much like Corporate campaign contributions? Didn't the Citizens United decision rest on the premise that 1st amendment protections extended to corporations? RENCORP wrote: The issue is simple - we paid for the internet - it was a DARPA platform originally developed for the military, with our tax dollars.
We own it. For companies to assume control or censorship to advance an agenda or favor a special interest group, should result in the company doing so being stripped of it's privileges to use the internet to monetize itself. Take them out, break them up, sell them off. America should not be acting like China when it comes to the use of a public utility. "We" may have footed the bill for the initial development of what would eventually be the internet, but it was investment and innovation by private corporations that created it in its current form. Isn't it a little dangerous to say that just because taxpayer dollars paid for the initial development, that everything downstream of that belongs to the collective? I'm not an expert on the internet or anything, so I'm open to corrections, but as I understand it, the web doesn't just exist in the ether. It takes physical infrastructure to make it all work. The government doesn't build or maintain all of that, and in all likelihood it probably benefits from the expenditures of profit-driven private enterprise. Your statements sound a lot like an Obama "you didn't build that" justification for government seizure of private assets.... The same sorts of arguments were made when ma bell had a monopoly. The internet has become as much a utility as the phone. Google, facebook, etc, each represent the same as ma bell. They are using the infrastructure in such a way as to create monopolies. As such, they should be dealt with the same as the government deals with any monopoly built on the backbone of a publicly paid for infrastructure.
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jukk0u
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Apparently Disqus has now shut down the use of its platform on Alex Jones' website.
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| Tue Aug 07, 2018 5:19 pm |
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PMB
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Are there genuine viable alternatives to the mega social media platforms? Do the social media platforms claim that they are not stifling free speech?
From my limited knowledge, most of the MSM and big social medias are left leaning, liberal, Controllist even. Am I off base here? Don't they universally claim that they are unbiased ? Almost universally?
The virtual monopoly based on size and viewership should (IMHO) quash the comparison to a local paper.
Why aren't there more conservative or libertarian MSM and social media?
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| Tue Aug 07, 2018 5:22 pm |
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jukk0u
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I think he can post at Real.video and on his infowars.alexjones web pages still Apparently Lous Farrakhan, another voice of calm, is feeling the heat, too http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2018/08/07/ ... utcry.html
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| Tue Aug 07, 2018 5:52 pm |
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Pablo
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There should actually be a law against that shyster. He should at least play the racecard to get his video back up.
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| Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:07 pm |
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TechnoWeenie
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PMB wrote: Are there genuine viable alternatives to the mega social media platforms? Do the social media platforms claim that they are not stifling free speech?
From my limited knowledge, most of the MSM and big social medias are left leaning, liberal, Controllist even. Am I off base here? Don't they universally claim that they are unbiased ? Almost universally?
The virtual monopoly based on size and viewership should (IMHO) quash the comparison to a local paper.
Why aren't there more conservative or libertarian MSM and social media? That's like complaining you have to buy fuel because all the car engines require it, IMO. Wonder how places like farmersonly stay in business? There's a market for it. Once there's a market for it, whoever successfully fills that market niche can make some good money. Make a social media platform for conservatives....
_________________NO DISASSEMBLE!Thomas Paine wrote: "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
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Selador
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TechnoWeenie wrote: PMB wrote: Are there genuine viable alternatives to the mega social media platforms? Do the social media platforms claim that they are not stifling free speech?
From my limited knowledge, most of the MSM and big social medias are left leaning, liberal, Controllist even. Am I off base here? Don't they universally claim that they are unbiased ? Almost universally?
The virtual monopoly based on size and viewership should (IMHO) quash the comparison to a local paper.
Why aren't there more conservative or libertarian MSM and social media? That's like complaining you have to buy fuel because all the car engines require it, IMO. Wonder how places like farmersonly stay in business? There's a market for it. Once there's a market for it, whoever successfully fills that market niche can make some good money. Make a social media platform for conservatives.... No it's like complaining that you have to use ma bell, if you want to use a phone. Where are you going to advertise that new media platform for conservatives, if ma bell refuses to run the ad?
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You are entitled to your opinion. You are not entitled to tell me what mine must be.
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quantsuff
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nothing/no one is stopping him from building/hosting his own site. if his audience values his product, he'll make money. isn't that how capitalism works?
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cityslicker
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PMB
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TechnoWeenie wrote: PMB wrote: Are there genuine viable alternatives to the mega social media platforms? Do the social media platforms claim that they are not stifling free speech?
From my limited knowledge, most of the MSM and big social medias are left leaning, liberal, Controllist even. Am I off base here? Don't they universally claim that they are unbiased ? Almost universally?
The virtual monopoly based on size and viewership should (IMHO) quash the comparison to a local paper.
Why aren't there more conservative or libertarian MSM and social media? That's like complaining you have to buy fuel because all the car engines require it, IMO.Wonder how places like farmersonly stay in business? There's a market for it. Once there's a market for it, whoever successfully fills that market niche can make some good money. Make a social media platform for conservatives.... WTF? I re-read my post... It was full of questions, not a single complaint. They were real questions, along with a single opinion about how a current virtual monopoly doesn't compare to a local newspaper. I'm genuinely curious as to why there are not more conservative-controlled MSM and big social media platforms.
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leadcounsel
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There will need to some laws protecting free speech on these platforms or bust them up in anti-trust suits.
These social media giants are much bigger than the trusts busted up a century ago.
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Alpine
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TechnoWeenie wrote: Alpine wrote: Your local newspaper isn't affiliated with LFA-granted utility monopolies. Hell, in some areas Google itself is an ISP.
Analogy falls flat. ISP = streets to get where you wanna go Walmart is not blocking off streets so the only place you can go is to Walmart.... Nothing is preventing you from walking around with a sign, or a billboard, or starting your own newspaper... Show me a newspaper that owns a road system. Show me a newspaper granted a government monopoly against any competition. ISPs and major content owners are different. LFA-granted monopoly = monopoly.
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leadcounsel
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Motivated wrote: Simple solution: Stop using social media. Then the problem is, effectively, certain voices are de facto silenced.
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