Gee I don't know, maybe patience?

If they want this so called qualified immunity (see license to kill) they better be holding themselves to a higher standard than the civilians they kill. Be the better person.

Now honestly imagine this happening to your brother. Or son. Or anyone you love. Now how does that change your opinion?

Patience? They should just stand there and converse with him, and hope that he changes his mind? I don't think that's reasonable; this isn't a hostage situation.

As to the hypothetical where it happens to someone close to me . . . yeah, it sucks. No doubt about that. I'm not saying that the dude DESERVED to die, but I'm saying that he made some very stupid decisions that day, and if he had made better decisions then he wouldn't have died.

I keep coming back to, "what would have been a better course of action"? If the cops had been "patient" for 10 minutes and then the same thing happened, would that have been okay? 20 minutes? Three hours? How long do they need to be patient, to let the guy come on his own time? That doesn't seem practical to me.

How about not choke the guy?

Tons of departments ban it, for a reason....

I dunno about you, but cutting off the airway leads me to believe that unconsciousness/death is a likely result..

OK . . . so don't tell me what they should NOT have done.

Tell me what they SHOULD have done, please.

Talk to the guy, reason with him. Appears to be small town because cop knows him by sight....

Call and verify the warrant, let him hear it's 'valid', agree it's BS but follow through the motions...

TASERs aren't supposed to be used where the guy can fall any distance, so that's out. My vehicle would be in front of him so he couldn't go forward, next arriving deputy would pull in behind him.

He's gotta get down to take a piss or something sooner or later.


'How long would you negotiate?' I'm sure is to be the next question...

Dunno, but climbing on the tractor leaves a risk of me/another deputy/cop falling off... I'd just sit there and wait him out, in this case.

Dude's how old? Not threatening? Not resisting other than 'no'....

They 'helped him' off the tractor by killing him. Again, strangulation isn't an accident... You kinda have to make those actions...

Get control of the subjects hands for hand tying action.

JJ is highly popular these days, there's really no excuse for officers to not know effective hand to hand these days for their job. So much equipment but where is the investment in what they were born with?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BjgQxaSlcvf/?hl=en

This BPD officer posts shit all the time learning from that @gracie action.

Thanks for that, TW.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on the "wait him out" thing. I don't think cops should need to work per the bad guy's schedule.

Defying police needs to stop being popular. Lots of mistakes made here on both sides.

It's not a black and white situation. The police are no more at fault than the individual.

Police cruiser joke?

Race joke?

I'm confused.

This mod is out of control. Someone ban him, please?

Too much sugary cake?

In Washington, the arrest warrants are in the crime computer, arrestee gets a copy at the jail.

Do you have the right to resist an unlawful arrest/detention?

Not law, but RIGHT, to resist?

Irrelevant. This was not an unlawful detention.

The guy didn't seem unreasonable, wouldn't take that long to get a copy of the warrant, there's email...

How do firefighters get people to do shit without having to beat them up?