the 4 rules are as such that more than 1 need to be violated for a fuck up to occur.

Great point. I should write that at least two were violated to make it more clear. I certainly meant to convey MULTIPLE safety rules were violated. Not just a random accident.

Was the Officer's name "Tex"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3kJ6SU3ycs

I have to disagree. When used properly it leaves your index (not trigger) finger on the slide. In over 10 years I have not had a ND with my Serpa. As the old saying goes "You Can't Fix Stupid". I don't care what holster you have, if you mess up then bad things can happen. How about the Glock in the leather holster? Blaming an inanimate thing like a holster, is like blaming the gun. 99.99% of the time it is the operator. Just like the idiot that decided to do a backflip on the dance floor with a gun. If he was using a Serpa, I can guarantee It would not have come out.

Sure, lets take the one part of your hand that's not supposed to be doing anything until ready to fire and give it another task. Oh, and lets make that task pressing a button in the same area as the trigger while the pistol is being retracted. Calling it an 'index' finger and not a 'trigger' finger isn't going to help.

You can't fix stupid, but you sure can mitigate the consequences. Doing dangerous things involves risk assessment and planning for worst case scenarios. That's why they make things like auto-locking carabiners and auto-inflating PFDs. I want my gear to be as idiot proof as possible because in stressful situations mistakes can, and will, be made. I stack the deck in my favor whenever I can.

Besides all that I don't see the appeal to the serpa, there are much better options out there for retention holsters. I have a G-code XST. To drop the retention hood the thumb smashes a lever on the back side straight down, then the pistol can be pulled straight up. Two distinct and separate motions.

I probably can't change your mind. I don't have stock in the company, so whether you buy their holster has no effect on me. I just know what I like. I use various holsters depending on what I'm carrying, and how I'm carrying. If you can't draw from ANY holster without putting your finger in the trigger then you already have issues. Like I said after more than ten years I've never had an issue. If one youtube video convinces you a product of any sort is bad than you need to do a bit more research. I can find youtube videos of all sorts of gun related screw ups. There are a lot of gun related screw ups that don't even involve a holster.

The xst doesn't seem like a bad holster, but with all my male/female mounts/adapters I'm not going to change now. I'll stick with my Serpa, & Omnivore holsters. The Omnivore is the only holster that will fit ALL my guns with a rail. PMR-30, 92A1, and Canik SFX.

I'm just trying to understand the outright hate for the Serpa?

Have you even tried it?

Just like the people that hate on Hi-Point. Most haven't even touched one.

I don't have stock in anything either nor have I used one. I checked them out in the store and that was enough for me to see that its a bad idea. I'm also not going to go buy one and shoot myself just to prove a point. Plenty of others have done it already so I don't need to.

It's not just one or two youtube videos. There have been multiple incidents where the serpa contributed to the accident. Notice I didn't say caused. I seriously doubt they could cause a ND all on their own, but they certainly have contributed to them. There is a reason many training schools and agencies have banned them:

https://www.fletc.gov/sites/default/files/imported_files/reference/public-information/freedom-of-information-act-foia/reading-room/training-information/holisterStudy.pdf











If they work for you, great. I won't knock you for that. Just be aware of the inherent risks associated with that setup.

circumstances matter. frequently these trainers are running a lot of new shooters in a line. i don't blame them for banning in that circumstance, they usually also ban shoulder holsters and small-of-back for similar safety reasons. this doesn't mean the holster is unsafe in the hands of a solo experience d shooter, unless they are named Tex.

You know what else is banned? Live firearms at gun shows.

Why? Because you fucks can’t be trusted with live firearms because you fucks are fucking idiots that finger fuck your guns trying holsters and parading and shit.

Guess we shouldn’t have firearms I mean AT A GUN SHOW FFS! If you can’t have one there you shouldn’t have one anywhere.

And fuck tex, that fucking embarrassing piece of shit. What the fuck is he doing with that close range cqb shit. Does he think he is trex arms? Trying to be an IG warrior?

Ok so im gonna rate this one at a 6 as I really was hoping for a little more cursing but that is just my personal preferance.

I'm fairly confident that a litigious society has far more to do with this than the fact that all humans are fucking idiots...
But I could be wrong.

No lawyer ever lost his job for saying no to a "can we..." question.

The point I wanted to make was that it’s operator error.

Lack of training, lack of familiarity of something, lack of brain.

For example, that hot las vegas pd chase with the windshield shooting.

Remember the cop fumbled up the reload?

Because he was shooting left handed out the car window and never trained for that type of reloading.

Don’t lock your screen after clicking post and tapatalk didnt finish.