Security guard who refused to help police officer, and pulled out her phone to record instead, fired..



https://www.dailywire.com/news/35017/watch-security-guard-fired-after-being-caught-james-barrett

Kinda torn.

I don't believe she has the moral or legal requirement to help if she doesn't want to, but obviously it's a character issue. If I had to guess, she wanted some footage to 'show how oppressed' they are.

The suspect was armed, ran from the police, and was wanted for questioning in a shooting and a robbery...

You should help if you're able....

BUT, I'm wondering if her company has the usual 'don't get involved in a physical altercation' policies that a lot of security companies have... 'observe and report'....In which case they fired her for following policy..

I'm going to guess that between a possible union, a greedy lawyer, and as you said, company policy, there would have been avenues for lawsuits, for job security...

BUT...

When she recorded it, personally, and posted it, personally, she then perhaps fell under the rubric of don't do anything to make the company LOOK bad...bad PR, etc., ...

So, she might have even been following company policy by not jumping in, but to RECORD and PUBLISH that her company won't help law enforcement, could be a black eye for the company, inhibit future contracts, and thus violate some aspect of making their shield look bad, and the company's bottom line.

Hence, a fire able offense.

As a 7 year vet of the security biz, this is exactly it. It's all about current and future business, NOT security per se.

Most security companies: Observe & Report. Still call BS on her moral character. I'd rather get fired for doing the right thing.

I think at the point that an officer is struggling and requesting assistance you're no longer (insert job title) you're a concerned citizen assisting an officer. Fuck her. I'm glad she got fired.

Agreed 100%...

And you're not just assisting the officer, you're assisting the suspect, too, by keeping him from further injury.

Plus, you're standing right there, if the suspect gets ahold of the officers gun & kills him, who do you think gets shot next?

The persn who just recorded it

Dumbass.

Besides, I couldn't live with myself if I did nothing, and either one was shot & killed.

What about the other people jist standing around doing nothing?
I don't know TX law butnin WA security has no more authority to do anything than amyone else. No more lattitude in use of force... less in many ways as reasonable and necessary sometime contradicts the lack of a requirement to flee. Having no more authority also means no more reaponsibility than anyone else. The only reaponsibility a guard has are if there is some law that requires calling for help (a misdemeanor I believe if it's ever even enforced here) and any contractual obligations with the client and the client's prooperty.
She was fired because she made the company look bad. She might have been fired of she had interveened. She probably has no defensive tactics training, no force options, and is totally unarmwd ao what could ahe do? Get her ass beat too? She might have thought filming it was the best option as it would be pretty good evidence.

At least in WA most Seattle area security companies revised their observe and report only restrictions to allow intervention in situations like this. There was a young lady that had the snot beat out of her in front of two Securitas guards at a downtown bus station. Bad press, so everyone "clarified" their policies to allow their folks to intervene when someone needs help.

dude, I would have been all about that shit! If he's yelling 'help me', time to start pulling less-lethals out of his belt and go to town on the perp. OC, taser, baton... all the good shit.

Reminds me of the time I had to pepper spray a dude in security guard uniform who was road raging on me on Michigan street.... maybe he's in here...?

Lady my ass, I remember that. She deserved an ass beating.

Sort of. That only happened because of the bad press. And with Securitas it only applies to that contract. The rest of their contracts... you sort of have the option, but you're going to be on your own when it comes to liability. And almost no other contract has any type of less lethal option, and in their training they call empty hands techniques pretty much just using your hands to point at the exit when you ask someone to leave.
Many other companies are the same, even to this day. There are some smaller ones that will allow it, but you'd better know a good lawyer if you get sued.

A lot of people won't because they are afraid of getting sued since they used an item they aren't trained and certified in. We are such a sue happy society that it's causing others to not act unless there is a specific law that protects them. And even then at times people are still afraid to act. Look how many places won't give you a Band-Aid (R) without you having to go to the company nurse. And many places that do have first aid kits won't allow employees or contractors to hand them out, the person must get it themself. Because of the fear of getting sued for something silly.

There is also that crowd mentality thing. Many, if not most, people won't act if they think that someone else will. Even if the entire incident was over blown and there weren't 38 people standing and watching Kitty Geneivese get murdered on the street, there were at least a couple who did. One of whom in an interview said that instead of calling the police or doing much else, he called the neighbors for advice (who themselves then called other neighbors). The other said he though about getting his bat, but then took a nap instead. He is the one who is responsible for the phrase, "I didn't want to get involved," put into our lexicon.
It was also the impetus for the addition of the laws that require a person do something if they are able to do so safely. The series finale of Seinfeldt was exaggerated, but that law does exist in most states.
This is ours, a gross misdemeanor if you don't at least try to call the police. http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.69.100

RCW 9.69.100
Duty of witness of offense against child or any violent offense—Penalty.
(1) A person who witnesses the actual commission of:
(a) A violent offense as defined in RCW 9.94A.030 or preparations for the commission of such an offense;
(b) A sexual offense against a child or an attempt to commit such a sexual offense; or
(c) An assault of a child that appears reasonably likely to cause substantial bodily harm to the child,
shall as soon as reasonably possible notify the prosecuting attorney, law enforcement, medical assistance, or other public officials.
(2) This section shall not be construed to affect privileged relationships as provided by law.
(3) The duty to notify a person or agency under this section is met if a person notifies or attempts to provide such notice by telephone or any other means as soon as reasonably possible.
(4) Failure to report as required by subsection (1) of this section is a gross misdemeanor. However, a person is not required to report under this section where that person has a reasonable belief that making such a report would place that person or another family or household member in danger of immediate physical harm.

Basically, people suck.

Slow clap...

In a litigious society what else should we expect?


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