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movingviolation
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Location: Bonney Lake Joined: Fri Oct 21, 2011 Posts: 3321
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while i think some people "need Jesus" but if the story is true i think the employer went too far with the "requirement", even if it was "on the clock activity". and, how is daily bible study related to construction business? https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/08/30/construction-worker-sues-employer-after-being-fired-for-refusal-to-attend-bible-study/Quote: After being hired as a painter for Dahled Up Construction, Coleman said that he discovered a job requirement that had not been mentioned beforehand. To keep his job, he would be required to attend a daily Bible study led by a local pastor, on the clock. Coleman told owner Joel Dahl that the practice was illegal but attended in good faith for six months.
After that time, Coleman told Dahl that he would no longer participate. “I said ‘I’ve kept an open mind, and it’s just not my thing.’ And he said, ‘Well, I’m going to have to replace you,’” he told The Oregonian/OregonLive. “He said ‘You’re not going to tell me how to run my own company.’ I said ‘I’m not trying to tell you how to run your own company, but you’re not going to tell me what god to pray to.’” it'll be interesting to see how this is going to play out in court
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scorpion rider
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Location: 40 acres of 2A sanctuary Joined: Sun Apr 7, 2013 Posts: 919
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As long as he is getting paid for his time I don’t think the worker has any ground to stand on. If he doesn’t like it, he can quit. I don’t like sitting through constant long safety meetings, but its part of my employment for this company. Other companies I could work for don’t require them.
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| Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:50 pm |
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wilmermj
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Location: Mount Vernon Joined: Sun Aug 26, 2012 Posts: 1559
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scorpion rider wrote: As long as he is getting paid for his time I don’t think the worker has any ground to stand on. If he doesn’t like it, he can quit. I don’t like sitting through constant long safety meetings, but its part of my employment for this company. Other companies I could work for don’t require them. Safety and religion are to separate things. I see this going the way of the worker.
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AR15L
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Location: Nampa, Idaho Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 Posts: 20125
Real Name: Rick
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Let's mix it up just a little.
"Worker fired for refusal to attend Muslim Quran study."
Now, how do you feel about it?
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Duke EB
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Location: maple valley Joined: Mon May 6, 2013 Posts: 2578
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wilmermj wrote: scorpion rider wrote: As long as he is getting paid for his time I don’t think the worker has any ground to stand on. If he doesn’t like it, he can quit. I don’t like sitting through constant long safety meetings, but its part of my employment for this company. Other companies I could work for don’t require them. Safety and religion are to separate things. I see this going the way of the worker. I see it that way as well.
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mislabeled
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Location: N-Sno Joined: Thu Oct 3, 2013 Posts: 4015
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Requirements around maintaining a safe work environment can withstand most legal scrutiny. This...not so much. Unless Bible lessons are related to his job, this employer is probably going to come up on the losing end.
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| Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:19 pm |
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spaghetti monster
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Location: Marysville Joined: Wed Feb 29, 2012 Posts: 1321
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scorpion rider wrote: As long as he is getting paid for his time I don’t think the worker has any ground to stand on. If he doesn’t like it, he can quit. I don’t like sitting through constant long safety meetings, but its part of my employment for this company. Other companies I could work for don’t require them. How about required to go to Washington ceasefire meetings on the clock?
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| Fri Aug 31, 2018 2:38 pm |
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Guntrader
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Location: Mukilteoish Joined: Sat Mar 26, 2011 Posts: 11589
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I was gonna say, where did he work, in a monastery?
One of my clients used to read scriptures over the PA system so the guys in the fuel yard, outlying buildings, and loading trucks didn't miss out.
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Eagle Chaplain
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Location: England Joined: Wed Apr 29, 2015 Posts: 2953
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So was the requirement to go to the bible study in the contract? If it was then the employer has that in his favor if not then he has no chance of winning.
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| Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:32 pm |
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heymagic
Location: Elma Joined: Sun Sep 22, 2013 Posts: 420
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Freedom of religion should also include freedom from religion. I would have told the employer to pack sand a long time before. Hopefully Coleman sues the crap out of the guy and wins. Wifeypoo quit one job because the employer only played bible music all day in the office.
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| Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:58 pm |
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Guns4Liberty
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Location: Lynnwood/Bothell Joined: Thu Jul 31, 2014 Posts: 8688
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heymagic wrote: Freedom of religion should also include freedom from religion. The latter is an anti-right...someone else's right has to be infringed in order to guarantee it. That's directly in conflict with the spirit of Liberty.
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| Fri Aug 31, 2018 6:20 pm |
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mcyclonegt
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Location: West Olympia Joined: Mon May 28, 2012 Posts: 6852
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He agreed to it when hired. He has no leg to stand on.
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RocketScott
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Location: Kentucky Joined: Fri Jan 16, 2015 Posts: 11575
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I seriously doubt he signed a contract.
This is construction we’re talking about.
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| Fri Aug 31, 2018 7:04 pm |
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scorpion rider
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Location: 40 acres of 2A sanctuary Joined: Sun Apr 7, 2013 Posts: 919
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I do understand there is a difference between safety and what they are doing. I also understand he will probably win over the employer. What I was getting at was that they are paying you for your time and if you don’t like something at your job than quit and work for somebody else. One of the problems with our society today is everybody gets offended by what somebody says or does and instead of walking away and going somewhere else they think you should do what they want and we have to change to make somebody else happy.
I am so unbelievably tired of dealing with weak minded snowflakes that can’t deal with things that aren’t the way they want, so they cry, whine, yell and scream until they get what they want.
I was driving down the road a couple days ago when a Buddy Holly song came on the radio and I thought how much simpler it was at that time. I really wish things were back to simpler times.
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| Fri Aug 31, 2018 8:17 pm |
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TechnoWeenie
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Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 19173
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Kinda torn.
Business is not gov't.
Could be seen as religious discrimination. Could be seen as a worker not following 'orders' for a paid meeting.
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