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Worker fired for refusal to attend bible study
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Site Supporter   Location: South Seattle Joined: Thu May 2, 2013 Posts: 13412 Real Name: Steve 
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glockgirl wrote: I don't see this breaking well for the employer. My department has dinner meetings (read: lots of food, lots of alcohol, and a few comments about how the department is doing) which are timed to allow as many department members to attend as possible. They aren't mandatory, and we're paid overtime if we attend. If we don't attend, no worries. We're allowed to keep working to earn the same overtime pay. All this employer had to do was to take a similar route--not mandatory, work if you like. I disagree. The UW receives public money; the hiring practices are different... This is a private company. This is no different than a stripper at a club being hired, and then after 6 months deciding she no longer wants to take his or her clothes off. It was a condition of employment when hired, which you knew when you applied, and agreed to & participated in for a long time. Like the stripper reference, he has every right to change his mind and quit; to walk away with nearly a million dollars after suing is ridiculous. His claim that it will be hard to find another job because he's a felon is irrelevant, since this employer didn't make him a felon. Actually, just the opposite....he gave him an opportunity. Work for a few years, build your resume, and move on... Since we're prognosticating, and he was a methhead, and child-neglector, I'm going to guess he was either let go, or about to be, and found an ambulance-chasing attorney to go after some quick money... 'Cause everybody knows that, aside from being a felon, the next-best thing to make you a desirable hire is to have sued your previous employer.... |
| Sat Sep 01, 2018 6:12 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: Rainier Joined: Sat Jun 28, 2014 Posts: 1513 Real Name: Darryl
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Being a felon does not automaticle make you an undesirable......many minor things are a felony....our company hires felons......they paid there debt
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| Sat Sep 01, 2018 6:54 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: King County Joined: Thu Oct 16, 2014 Posts: 4012
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For me this drives directly to the core of what it means to be a conservative. It's part of the idea of "Don't tread on me", "Don't impose your will on me", "leave me alone", "you can believe whatever you don't, but don't impose your beliefs on me."
For work, I agree your employer can require you to do anything related to your job. Do the dishes, clean the toilets etc. Perform the work you are hired to do. Attending a bible study has nothing to do with Construction. Religion has nothing to do with construction. This bible study is outside the scope of the job the employee was hired to perform. I agree with the idea of Freedom From Religion. You have the right to believe whatever you want, but you don't have the right to force it on me. It goes back to the saying of "you can swing your arms around all you want until they collide with my face." You can believe and do any religion stuff you want, until you impose it on me. Now that's violating my rights to be free of your religion. |
| Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:10 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: Rainier Joined: Sat Jun 28, 2014 Posts: 1513 Real Name: Darryl
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There attorney is back stepping and they took there facebook page down.....now they say it never was required......don't know how to inbed article from The Washington Post
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| Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:16 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: South Seattle Joined: Thu May 2, 2013 Posts: 13412 Real Name: Steve
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snozzberries wrote: For me this drives directly to the core of what it means to be a conservative. It's part of the idea of "Don't tread on me", "Don't impose your will on me", "leave me alone", "you can believe whatever you don't, but don't impose your beliefs on me." For work, I agree your employer can require you to do anything related to your job. Do the dishes, clean the toilets etc. Perform the work you are hired to do. Attending a bible study has nothing to do with Construction. Religion has nothing to do with construction. This bible study is outside the scope of the job the employee was hired to perform. I agree with the idea of Freedom From Religion. You have the right to believe whatever you want, but you don't have the right to force it on me. It goes back to the saying of "you can swing your arms around all you want until they collide with my face." You can believe and do any religion stuff you want, until you impose it on me. Now that's violating my rights to be free of your religion. The GOVERNMENT doesn't have the right to force it on you, a private employer can have classes on whatever they want. You don't get to determine what your employer can require you to do anything related to your job ... Who are you to say what that employer deems related to his job? You're nobody, and neither is the government, that's the whole point. Did you even read the posts? He is hiring a felon, arrested on meth & child endangerment, and giving him a chance, and all he has to do is attend this class,mwhile getting PAID... It probably has nothing to do with religion, but more to do with following direction, rather than your feelings... Doing it for 6 months, and then refusing, sounds more like falling back into an old self-indulgent lifestyle, than suddenly not wanting to hear about God. If he was an alcoholic, and was required to attend AA meetings, would you be okay with that? They talk about God there, too. |
| Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:19 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: Rainier Joined: Sat Jun 28, 2014 Posts: 1513 Real Name: Darryl
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Civil Rights Act 1964
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| Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:42 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: King County Joined: Thu Oct 16, 2014 Posts: 4012
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Fortunately, that's not the law.
https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/ ... igion.html https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/ ... place.html Quote: It is acceptable for an employer to express their religious beliefs in the workplace to an employee, but only within certain limits. The employer must make sure that their employees understand that they do not have to adopt their employer's religious beliefs in order keep their jobs or be promoted. Another limit is that an employer cannot keep proselytizing to an employee if the employee requests the employer not to, as this could be considered harassment. http://www.calltherightattorney.com/201 ... e-to-pray/ Quote: As our religion discrimination lawyers have blogged before, employers cannot force employees to take part in religious activity at work. Quote: On the other hand, forcing employees to take part in prayer groups based on a religion different is a clear violation of Title VII and Ohio R.C. § 4112.99, as does forcing discussions of spiritual texts. https://ffrf.org/outreach/item/14007-re ... -workplace Quote: Work meetings usually contain a prayer or are held in conjunction with religious services. What can I do? The act of requiring an employee to attend a religious service is in clear violation of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the “Accommodations” section of the EEOC guidelines (described below). The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals wrote the definitive argument against the practice of mandatory worship services in EEOC v. Townley Eng'g & Mfg. Co., 859 F.2d 610, 615 (9th Cir. 1988) (holding that an employer must accommodate atheist employee by allowing him to opt out of worship services), which still stands as the leading case on the issue. |
| Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:43 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: Rainier Joined: Sat Jun 28, 2014 Posts: 1513 Real Name: Darryl
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By taking down there facebook page and the attorney back stepping.....it don't look good for the employer
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| Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:53 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: South Seattle Joined: Thu May 2, 2013 Posts: 13412 Real Name: Steve
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snozzberries wrote: Fortunately, that's not the law. https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/ ... igion.html https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/ ... place.html Quote: It is acceptable for an employer to express their religious beliefs in the workplace to an employee, but only within certain limits. The employer must make sure that their employees understand that they do not have to adopt their employer's religious beliefs in order keep their jobs or be promoted. Another limit is that an employer cannot keep proselytizing to an employee if the employee requests the employer not to, as this could be considered harassment. http://www.calltherightattorney.com/201 ... e-to-pray/ Quote: As our religion discrimination lawyers have blogged before, employers cannot force employees to take part in religious activity at work. Quote: On the other hand, forcing employees to take part in prayer groups based on a religion different is a clear violation of Title VII and Ohio R.C. § 4112.99, as does forcing discussions of spiritual texts. https://ffrf.org/outreach/item/14007-re ... -workplace Quote: Work meetings usually contain a prayer or are held in conjunction with religious services. What can I do? The act of requiring an employee to attend a religious service is in clear violation of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the “Accommodations” section of the EEOC guidelines (described below). The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals wrote the definitive argument against the practice of mandatory worship services in EEOC v. Townley Eng'g & Mfg. Co., 859 F.2d 610, 615 (9th Cir. 1988) (holding that an employer must accommodate atheist employee by allowing him to opt out of worship services), which still stands as the leading case on the issue.  All your resources are actuall websites that are trying to incite lawsuits, they are referrals for attorneys They even talk about law, not referring to legal reference or the constitution, but their frame of reference was we've blogged about that before...  Try this... https://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/le ... et-1339642 Seriously, if Google is your argument base, at least go past the first page, and find a reference to the Constitution, Federal Law, or something other than a website trying to incite lawsuits to make money... |
| Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:57 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: King County Joined: Thu Oct 16, 2014 Posts: 4012
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The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals wrote the definitive argument against the practice of mandatory worship services in EEOC v. Townley Eng'g & Mfg. Co., 859 F.2d 610, 615 (9th Cir. 1988) (holding that an employer must accommodate atheist employee by allowing him to opt out of worship services), which still stands as the leading case on the issue.
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/ap ... 10/126324/ |
| Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:07 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: South Seattle Joined: Thu May 2, 2013 Posts: 13412 Real Name: Steve
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snozzberries wrote: The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals wrote the definitive argument against the practice of mandatory worship services in EEOC v. Townley Eng'g & Mfg. Co., 859 F.2d 610, 615 (9th Cir. 1988) (holding that an employer must accommodate atheist employee by allowing him to opt out of worship services), which still stands as the leading case on the issue. https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/ap ... 10/126324/ Much better, brother! But....this wasn't a worship service....  |
| Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:17 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: Rainier Joined: Sat Jun 28, 2014 Posts: 1513 Real Name: Darryl
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If the employer was right in what he was doing why is his attorney back tracking and they are taking down facebook pages
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| Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:22 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: South Seattle Joined: Thu May 2, 2013 Posts: 13412 Real Name: Steve
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codfather wrote: If the employer was right in what he was doing why is his attorney back tracking and they are taking down facebook pages Do you have a source other than Bezos'-owned Washington Post? Also, most attorneys would shut down any social media as a case heads to trial, that's just common sense. |
| Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:26 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: Tacoma Joined: Sat May 4, 2013 Posts: 6476
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I'm retired, and everybody can just blow me
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Site Supporter  Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 19173 Real Name: Johnny 5
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Arisaka wrote: I'm retired, and everybody can just blow me Jesus loves you. Not so sure about Jose, or Miguel, but I'm sure Jesus is down for whatever... _________________ NO DISASSEMBLE! Thomas Paine wrote: "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." |
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