You are asking the wrong question. The real question is, "How can we be more friendly to gun friendly democrats?"

Also, thanks for chiming in glockgirl! You are the one I was thinking of when I wrote my post. You are self-declared Democrat, but gun friendly. I have 2 friends that are the same.

How do we get them to vote for Republicans? How do we get you to vote for Republicans?

YOUR party is coming after MY guns. NOTHING else holds a candle to that really. Sorry if your feelings are hurt.

I'd be more interested in getting people to see the 2A as something that is above votes and parties.

I'm a left-leaning independent, but would be registered as a Democrat of we lived in a state that required it for primary voting.

As soon as anyone starts throwing around Communist/Marxist/Socialist labels, they'll just get tuned out, because those labels are so far from the truth, even when referring to most of the progressive wing. Same as when people start calling moderate conservatives racists, Nazis, etc.

Honestly, you won't have much luck convincing someone on the left to vote for a Republican because there are just so many other issues that they consider more important than gun rights (healthcare, abortion, the environment, etc).

You'll probably have the best luck with being civil and using non-partisan arguments to try to get people to vote NO on gun control initiatives.

Yeah. I think the whole point of the thread is to determine how the 2A can be non-partisan . . . not how Democrats can be convinced to switch parties.

Yep. What are some other issues we can look to that are non-partisan? Access to primary education, maybe? Or...? If we can figure out how those have risen above political affiliations, maybe we can tap into some of the same emotions and reasonings.

I think this is far nearer the real point than any other post in this thread.

Instead of continuing the "us vs them" think... Where you are dealing with people... (And being a 'people' ourselves, we know that if you challenge someone, they will put up their walls and dig in...)

The real task is to somehow make the issue become important to everyone, and not just one party.

Continuing to think in terms of us vs them, is to continue doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result. We all know what that is the definition of.

EDIT: Man, youns all type faster than I do!

Again.

How do you have a conversation with someone who calls you a liar for citing state law and saying criminals don't follow laws?

Only right wing people might get this one, but if natives had guns initially..............



These two are more simple minded.

Simply ask them exactly what portions are lies.

I distinctly remember her admitting that she has gotten static from other Democrats who are hard-core, about her 2A views. It was either in chat or a post, but it was quite a while ago and I'm not going to look for it. But as it's been pointed out, it does go both ways.

Those that are hard core convinced on EITHER side (really) are lost, and will not change. Ever. Thus it's a total waste of time.

WE need to do the same thing the Democrats are doing. Reach out to those in the middle that swings either way. This is the only way or hope, to increase our numbers. We do this with facts, and keep emotions out of it.

Ok, let's try this a different way. Can someone here relate a story of how someone who was an anti gun democrat became a pro gun democrat?

Not trying to attack anyone. I've read countless posts by members here about how they've had local liberal politicos in their homes, taken them to the range, "talked guns" with them, etc. Then we see these exact same politicos get MORE anti gun. For example: Rueven Carlyle, Cyrus Habib, etc.

The simple answer is to, first and foremost, stop injecting party into the 2A discussion. And when the other party in the discussion injects it, don't allow it to take over the conversation. That would be a good start, anyway.

He more complicated answer is to find out which Liberties the anti-2A people in our lives hold the most dear, and then find ways to draw parallels between preservation of those Liberties and preservation of 2A. Make it relatable for them. Listen rather than talking over. Understand their perspective, even if it takes every ounce of your strength not to roll your eyes in disbelief. Show them you are human and approachable, and that your opinions on 2A deserve respect the same way their opinions on other issues deserve respect. There's more to it, but I think the idea is to stop treating the other side like enemies and more like friends. It won't be easy, but it will probably be worth it in the long run.

I tend to approach conversations by avoiding non-starters. People who begin their "debate" by using personal attacks, propaganda lies etc instantly become a "why bother" and I typically move on. But, the same goes for "us". Approaching the conversation by saying things like "Obummer, Gay Jay, Democraps and even Trumptard", sets the tone for the discussion that is about to take place. Using those terms means you are going to have a grade school level discussion, not one that will have any thought provoking, mind blowing, epiphany having moments.

So, for me, it's how I approach the conversation, just as much as how I present myself before, during and after said conversation.

We cannot ask people to see our side if we continually insult them.

So I’m canadian. Born and raised in British Columbia. I wouldn’t quite say I was anti gun but I wasn’t pro gun. My politics lean left but closer to center I would say. From personal experience I was more uninformed and probably would vote to ban guns (if I could vote) just because again I was uninformed. A friend I made down here invited me and another one who was about the same as me in political beliefs to go shooting. We went down to Olympia 3 years ago and shot in the forest. From there I got a bit interested in guns did some research learnt more and more. Now me and the other friend who was on the fence own more firearms than the friend that took us. We are more knowledgeable than him (still learning a lot though, I’m no expert) and the two of us just helped him build his first ar.

I’m not sure how you would turn people who are leading the moms demand action and everytown for gun safety groups. But you can show people who are on the fence or are ignorant things to do with guns.

I’ll give you one more story. A guy I was working with just transferred up from California. He was a lot like me, never had experience around them, didn’t understand them so he didn’t like them. I took him to the range one day after work and shot with him. Kinda explained some of the safety rules how things work to buy a gun etc. he now has a cpl and a pistol and is wanting to get more but is wanting to learn more before he buys.



I think a lot of the problem is people on the fence don’t agree with a lot of the rights politics so they equate guns with that. If you drop the other politics and just focus on guns and explain them. Stop using arguments like abortion, illegal immigration etc towards people wanting to ban guns because honestly it’s a dumb argument. Focus on the facts of guns and that’s it.



Http://reddit.com/r/liberalgunowners is a thing btw. Along with a few other subreddits devoted to left leaning people who support the 2a. To throw all left leaning people into the same title is a little ignorant and is the same as throwing all right leaning people into the same category. Both sides have their extremes and I agree the Democratic Party are fucking horrible but I also don’t like a lot of the Republican Party. We really need to get more parties and stop with this party line bullshit because I don’t agree completely with either side.




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