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Were you doing yardwork in a speedo ? icon_eek


Nope. Appropriately sized basketball/gym shorts....

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I'm sensing a GoFundMe for a Bail Bondsman in the Wagun future...



Kind of on the subject of gov't overreach and bailbondsmen... with the new CA law doing away with bail in most instances, the whole industry will potentially collapse.


That'd be awesome in this case...

Just keep getting arrested every 8 hours... Hahaha.. Non violent 'crime'.. I still don't understand how they can charge with trespass when a specific exemption To trespass is 'had permission from the owner of the property'..

That's like that 'no illegal guns' signs.
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[RCW 9A.52.090
Criminal trespass—Defenses.
In any prosecution under RCW 9A.52.070 and 9A.52.080, it is a defense that:
(1) A building involved in an offense under RCW 9A.52.070 was abandoned; or
(2) The premises were at the time open to members of the public and the actor complied with all lawful conditions imposed on access to or remaining in the premises; or
(3) The actor reasonably believed that the owner of the premises, or other person empowered to license access thereto, would have licensed him or her to enter or remain; or
(4) The actor was attempting to serve legal process which includes any document required or allowed to be served upon persons or property, by any statute, rule, ordinance, regulation, or court order, excluding delivery by the mails of the United States. This defense applies only if the actor did not enter into a private residence or other building not open to the public and the entry onto the premises was reasonable and necessary for service of the legal process.


Maybe lead counsel can chime In

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I have a question, just how did the renters tenants squatters contaminate the soil with lead? I mean how much lead do you have to put in the soil to make it so contaminated that the health department has to step in???

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I have a question, just how did the renters tenants squatters contaminate the soil with lead? I mean how much lead do you have to put in the soil to make it so contaminated that the health department has to step in???


He reloaded in the garage that was on the property. They found smashed vials on the property. The same vials used to hold specific amounts of gunpowder, different metal shavings to test different bullet alloys, etc.

They just lucked out and picked the right vials, basically. Test reports showed that the soil was fine 6" down except in one spot... Basically, surface contamination.. As in, obvious it hadn't been there for a long time, and there were spots that were tested that were contaminated but 1 foot over there was virtually no trace.

As I said, the property owner is still on the hook for it.

The thing is, according to the property owner, he was ordered to remove shrubs and trees and whatnot, which is what I was doing..

The property owner is someone I trust... He's a very nice person, and his wife hates it because he gets used a lot....

Apparently 1 reading that's 'too high' is 1 reading too many... He was ordered to remove top 2' of soil.

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Wonder if there is a way to retest the soil at the property with out having to export and import a bunch of dirt? After some dirt theives rob the yard of course, unfortunately. How did they declare it, was it posted clearly on the property?


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Maybe try going at the State level? https://ecology.wa.gov/Spills-Cleanup/C ... l-sampling
They offer free sampling in some cases, however down side is it might cause more of a head ache.


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I swear, if TW didn't have Bad Luck, he would have none at all. icon_eek That's just fucked up he could take his rolling stock off the property, like it's all contaminated or something.
Seems like they could do the same thing to any Gun range then.

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Wonder if there is a way to retest the soil at the property with out having to export and import a bunch of dirt? After some dirt theives rob the yard of course, unfortunately. How did they declare it, was it posted clearly on the property?


Apparently it was posted..... 10 years ago...

It's been vacant since.

I started coming over in mid to late May, complaint was filed and they came over July 25th..it took this long for them to come out.

Apparently, it's not unheard of for people to steal 2 feet of topsoil and have it disappear, while you're out of town. Hahh.. Then when you replace the soil, they test that.

Problem is, you have to file for the health department to come back out, wait, get the test approved, take the test, which is about 4k$, then file another paperwork asking them to come out again and certify it... Even if the topsoil were to magically disappear, it'd cost a metric shit ton to replace the soil and retest and recertify.

It's a racket.

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I have a question, just how did the renters tenants squatters contaminate the soil with lead? I mean how much lead do you have to put in the soil to make it so contaminated that the health department has to step in???


He reloaded in the garage that was on the property. They found smashed vials on the property. The same vials used to hold specific amounts of gunpowder, different metal shavings to test different bullet alloys, etc.

They just lucked out and picked the right vials, basically. Test reports showed that the soil was fine 6" down except in one spot... Basically, surface contamination.. As in, obvious it hadn't been there for a long time, and there were spots that were tested that were contaminated but 1 foot over there was virtually no trace.

As I said, the property owner is still on the hook for it.

The thing is, according to the property owner, he was ordered to remove shrubs and trees and whatnot, which is what I was doing..

The property owner is someone I trust... He's a very nice person, and his wife hates it because he gets used a lot....

Apparently 1 reading that's 'too high' is 1 reading too many... He was ordered to remove top 2' of soil.


I am sorry that you got caught in this TW...I mean that.

HOWEVER.....I have been involved in soil contamination issues several time over my "business life"and quite frankly the story that you are being told by someone simply does not add up. I am not going to go into a long winded explation here however it simply DOES NOT work in the way that it was described. Reloadeding and even bullet casting on an individual level would NEVER warrant the property shutdown. There is a whole bunch more to this story.


I actually think that you are the innocent "victim" in this case.....Sorry for the hassle that you are facing.


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Nitro_Guns wrote:
TechnoWeenie wrote:
TINCANBANDIT wrote:
I have a question, just how did the renters tenants squatters contaminate the soil with lead? I mean how much lead do you have to put in the soil to make it so contaminated that the health department has to step in???


He reloaded in the garage that was on the property. They found smashed vials on the property. The same vials used to hold specific amounts of gunpowder, different metal shavings to test different bullet alloys, etc.

They just lucked out and picked the right vials, basically. Test reports showed that the soil was fine 6" down except in one spot... Basically, surface contamination.. As in, obvious it hadn't been there for a long time, and there were spots that were tested that were contaminated but 1 foot over there was virtually no trace.

As I said, the property owner is still on the hook for it.

The thing is, according to the property owner, he was ordered to remove shrubs and trees and whatnot, which is what I was doing..

The property owner is someone I trust... He's a very nice person, and his wife hates it because he gets used a lot....

Apparently 1 reading that's 'too high' is 1 reading too many... He was ordered to remove top 2' of soil.


I am sorry that you got caught in this TW...I mean that.

HOWEVER.....I have been involved in soil contamination issues several time over my "business life"and quite frankly the story that you are being told by someone simply does not add up. I am not going to go into a long winded explation here however it simply DOES NOT work in the way that it was described. Reloadeding and even bullet casting on an individual level would NEVER warrant the property shutdown. There is a whole bunch more to this story.


I actually think that you are the innocent "victim" in this case.....Sorry for the hassle that you are facing.


The people that were there dumped a metric crap ton stuff in the soil so they didn't have to pay restitution, is what it boiled down to. Unknown to the homeowner, they did it to the previous landlord at a different location, and again after they left his place.

They know they did it, but no one can prove it and it's immaterial because the property owner is responsible for remediation regardless of cause.

How does one couple have lead poisoning at 3 places, one right after the other, after refusing to pay rent?

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TINCANBANDIT wrote:
I have a question, just how did the renters tenants squatters contaminate the soil with lead? I mean how much lead do you have to put in the soil to make it so contaminated that the health department has to step in???


He reloaded in the garage that was on the property. They found smashed vials on the property. The same vials used to hold specific amounts of gunpowder, different metal shavings to test different bullet alloys, etc.

They just lucked out and picked the right vials, basically. Test reports showed that the soil was fine 6" down except in one spot... Basically, surface contamination.. As in, obvious it hadn't been there for a long time, and there were spots that were tested that were contaminated but 1 foot over there was virtually no trace.

As I said, the property owner is still on the hook for it.

The thing is, according to the property owner, he was ordered to remove shrubs and trees and whatnot, which is what I was doing..

The property owner is someone I trust... He's a very nice person, and his wife hates it because he gets used a lot....

Apparently 1 reading that's 'too high' is 1 reading too many... He was ordered to remove top 2' of soil.


I am sorry that you got caught in this TW...I mean that.

HOWEVER.....I have been involved in soil contamination issues several time over my "business life"and quite frankly the story that you are being told by someone simply does not add up. I am not going to go into a long winded explation here however it simply DOES NOT work in the way that it was described. Reloadeding and even bullet casting on an individual level would NEVER warrant the property shutdown. There is a whole bunch more to this story.


I actually think that you are the innocent "victim" in this case.....Sorry for the hassle that you are facing.


The people that were there dumped a metric crap ton stuff in the soil so they didn't have to pay restitution, is what it boiled down to. Unknown to the homeowner, they did it to the previous landlord at a different location, and again after they left his place.

They know they did it, but no one can prove it and it's immaterial because the property owner is responsible for remediation regardless of cause.

How does one couple have lead poisoning at 3 places, one right after the other, after refusing to pay rent?



WOW.....I see.

I must have misread your original description as I thought you were told it was connected to "reloading"

Again, sorry you are facing this.


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Nitro_Guns wrote:
TechnoWeenie wrote:
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TINCANBANDIT wrote:
I have a question, just how did the renters tenants squatters contaminate the soil with lead? I mean how much lead do you have to put in the soil to make it so contaminated that the health department has to step in???


He reloaded in the garage that was on the property. They found smashed vials on the property. The same vials used to hold specific amounts of gunpowder, different metal shavings to test different bullet alloys, etc.

They just lucked out and picked the right vials, basically. Test reports showed that the soil was fine 6" down except in one spot... Basically, surface contamination.. As in, obvious it hadn't been there for a long time, and there were spots that were tested that were contaminated but 1 foot over there was virtually no trace.

As I said, the property owner is still on the hook for it.

The thing is, according to the property owner, he was ordered to remove shrubs and trees and whatnot, which is what I was doing..

The property owner is someone I trust... He's a very nice person, and his wife hates it because he gets used a lot....

Apparently 1 reading that's 'too high' is 1 reading too many... He was ordered to remove top 2' of soil.


I am sorry that you got caught in this TW...I mean that.

HOWEVER.....I have been involved in soil contamination issues several time over my "business life"and quite frankly the story that you are being told by someone simply does not add up. I am not going to go into a long winded explation here however it simply DOES NOT work in the way that it was described. Reloadeding and even bullet casting on an individual level would NEVER warrant the property shutdown. There is a whole bunch more to this story.


I actually think that you are the innocent "victim" in this case.....Sorry for the hassle that you are facing.


The people that were there dumped a metric crap ton stuff in the soil so they didn't have to pay restitution, is what it boiled down to. Unknown to the homeowner, they did it to the previous landlord at a different location, and again after they left his place.

They know they did it, but no one can prove it and it's immaterial because the property owner is responsible for remediation regardless of cause.

How does one couple have lead poisoning at 3 places, one right after the other, after refusing to pay rent?



WOW.....I see.

I must have misread your original description as I thought you were told it was connected to "reloading"

Again, sorry you are facing this.


That's where the lead and contaminants came from. They found smashed vials on the ground... The same vials he used to hold samples.... Like test tubes with a cork stopper.

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I have a question, just how did the renters tenants squatters contaminate the soil with lead? I mean how much lead do you have to put in the soil to make it so contaminated that the health department has to step in???


He reloaded in the garage that was on the property. They found smashed vials on the property. The same vials used to hold specific amounts of gunpowder, different metal shavings to test different bullet alloys, etc.

They just lucked out and picked the right vials, basically. Test reports showed that the soil was fine 6" down except in one spot... Basically, surface contamination.. As in, obvious it hadn't been there for a long time, and there were spots that were tested that were contaminated but 1 foot over there was virtually no trace.

As I said, the property owner is still on the hook for it.

The thing is, according to the property owner, he was ordered to remove shrubs and trees and whatnot, which is what I was doing..

The property owner is someone I trust... He's a very nice person, and his wife hates it because he gets used a lot....

Apparently 1 reading that's 'too high' is 1 reading too many... He was ordered to remove top 2' of soil.




sounds to me like the threshold is WAAAAAAY too low. Perhaps if every house on the block (especially the neighbor making complaints) had similar contamination happen, then there would be an uproar and the government would go back to fixing potholes

not saying you should dump pieces of lead on their property :peep: .....just saying the best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly (or in this case widely)

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